On Tue, Jul = 10, 2012 at 6:52 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

I'm correcting you; {cmene} refer to nam= es, e.g. {zo .arpis. cmene mi .i ji'a zo cipni cmene la'oi Paul}. T= hey refer to the use/meaning of a word; they are also, more or less, langua= ge angostic. {cmevla} refers to a morphological construct, and is primarily= useful in lojban; they must end in a consonant (and if you aren't on t= he dot side, can't contain "la", "lai", or "do= i" at the start of a syllable). They must always be followed by a paus= e, and, like all lojban words, if they start with a vowel, they must be pre= ceded by a pause.

Elaborating on the rest of the discussion:
Under current convention = (dot side), whenever a cmevla is used in a cmene, (e.g. {la .mlat.}) it mus= t be surrounded by pauses in speech, which some people take pains to indica= te with the dot character. Pauses in names have no meaning (besides word se= paration) when brivla are used in them.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:= 42 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Paul Pred= kiewicz <paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's not especially generic at all, although each argument ca= n refer
> to any entity actually called that.

Yeah, that is what i meant. I know {la} doesn't mean "the&qu= ot;, but more
like "next-up: a name"
I was just trying to say that as it is the statement {la cipni cu
prami la mlatu} leaves alot of questions open...
On the other hand it seems i tend to forget the following, a wedding
ring engraved with

{la cipni cu ze'e prami la mlatu}

and another engraved with

{la mlatu cu ze'e prami la cipni}

pretty much adds a whole lot of context. so i guess even if only this=
sentence fits inside the rings, it would still be selfdesprict, since
if you knew what a wedding ring is you could easily assume that the
wearer is the person who loves the loved one.

But when written down on the internet, it doesn't sound like much.

Oh and, if you use gismu as a name, to form a valid sentence, do you
need to put a full stop there {la cipni. cu prami}? Or is {la cipni cu
prami} fine too? Or is it even {la .cipni. cu prami}?

I can never accurately remember which are called cm= ene and which are called cmevla, but let's assume eg. {la mlatu} are th= e ones called cmevla. If I'm wrong, someone will correct me.

Only cmene need to be surrounded by pauses. It is never wrong to put a = pause where one is not needed, but cmevla have no need of them at all, howe= ver, that is why they need to be followed by ku/cu in some situations, wher= eas cmene never do.

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mu'o= mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i do= i.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your fathe= r. :D )

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