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But that one doesn't say who the talker is. It says "I can (event-of 
unspecified-it talks)". Isn't that a problem?

On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 23:25:41 UTC+1, selpa'i wrote:
>
> Am 11.07.2012 19:50, schrieb jammyatjammy@gmail.com: 
> > le munvelski be zo kakne du la'e zoi gy x1 is able to do/be/capable of 
> > doing/being x2 (event/state) under conditions x3 (event/state) gy .i 
> > xu zoi gy being gy nibyti'i lo du'u zo kakne kakne lo selpli secau zo 
> > nu to noi simsa nunpli fi tu'a le vi jufra toi 
> > 
> > The description of "kakne" is "x1 is able to do/be/capable of 
> > doing/being x2 (event/state) under conditions x3 (event/state)". Does 
> > "being" imply that "kakne" can be used without "nu" after it, and 
> > instead using a simple sumti (as I did above). 
> > 
> > Probably a simpler example is {mi kakne lo tavla be fo la lojban.} - 
> > "I can-be a talker in-language Lojban" .i xu di'u xagytadji lo nu 
> > pilno zo kakne 
>
> It says "do/be" because those two are the same thing in Lojban. There is 
> no to be or to do. That is, there is no difference between "I am a man"   
> {mi nanmu }and "I [do] walk" {mi cadzu}. It's always just an argument 
> (sumti) filling a place of a predicate (selbri). You still need an 
> abstraction for kakne. {mi kakne lo ka/nu tavla} means both "I can be a 
> talker" and "I can talk". 
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i 
>
> -- 
> .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u 
> .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla 
> .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata 
>
>

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But that one doesn't say who the talker is. It says "I can (event-of unspec=
ified-it talks)". Isn't that a problem?<br><br>On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 2=
3:25:41 UTC+1, selpa'i  wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">=
Am 11.07.2012 19:50, schrieb <a href=3D"mailto:jammyatjammy@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">jammyatjammy@gmail.com</a>:
<br>&gt; le munvelski be zo kakne du la'e zoi gy x1 is able to do/be/capabl=
e of=20
<br>&gt; doing/being x2 (event/state) under conditions x3 (event/state) gy =
.i=20
<br>&gt; xu zoi gy being gy nibyti'i lo du'u zo kakne kakne lo selpli secau=
 zo=20
<br>&gt; nu to noi simsa nunpli fi tu'a le vi jufra toi
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; The description of "kakne" is "x1 is able to do/be/capable of=20
<br>&gt; doing/being x2 (event/state) under conditions x3 (event/state)". D=
oes=20
<br>&gt; "being" imply that "kakne" can be used without "nu" after it, and=
=20
<br>&gt; instead using a simple sumti (as I did above).
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Probably a simpler example is {mi kakne lo tavla be fo la lojban.}=
 -=20
<br>&gt; "I can-be a talker in-language Lojban" .i xu di'u xagytadji lo nu=
=20
<br>&gt; pilno zo kakne
<br>
<br>It says "do/be" because those two are the same thing in Lojban. There i=
s=20
<br>no to be or to do. That is, there is no difference between "I am a man"=
 &nbsp;
<br>{mi nanmu }and "I [do] walk" {mi cadzu}. It's always just an argument=
=20
<br>(sumti) filling a place of a predicate (selbri). You still need an=20
<br>abstraction for kakne. {mi kakne lo ka/nu tavla} means both "I can be a=
=20
<br>talker" and "I can talk".
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
<br>
<br>--=20
<br>.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u
<br>.i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla
<br>.i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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