Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:40974) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpgqH-0006Kx-Bg; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:27:42 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf3837690qca.16 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:27:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=edHaVbbJ3oz7UpBXCitkGDZqdx3V1dZqfPzkRX/cLFU=; b=KjtFie39ycw+Hh+d0xoEXxol6IjDO4v8b+gpogWnQqkJFgu3armbdClbINlngdFegC JUefmRkKXSi4jRcx4BoK5VdgutkMedqYK3sLQMMK+lr5/cYKPvTzE1765GBhkQy0QhLF 57mnV4tyd6AiBBTuXw90vlGrEQFp40UMY+N20= Received: by 10.52.68.134 with SMTP id w6mr126595vdt.6.1342189650629; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:27:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.141.4 with SMTP id k4ls1763566vcu.9.gmail; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.34.8 with SMTP id v8mr123831vdi.5.1342189649730; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by m10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50001CF0.7000500@plasmatix.com> References: <462c6d85-b1b3-431b-9068-7ab6e82efbdb@googlegroups.com> <50001CF0.7000500@plasmatix.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/11.04 Chromium/18.0.1025.151 Chrome/18.0.1025.151 Safari/535.19,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <90810835-ab6d-4452-bd2a-f65458457439@m10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Conlang test sentence failure. From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1722 I don't think {ce} should be used anywhere outside "(set)" places (or similar). The set of balls does not have properties of balls, it has properties of a set. A set of people doesn't join a circus; people do. And honestly I'm not half sure what {ce} exactly does as a tanru connective. In fact there are no tanru connectives with this property (I mean, "lo ka mi xadba zo'o jimpe ce'u"). http://dag.github.com/cll/6/4/ "Lojban speakers should generally think twice before employing the set descriptors." mu'o mi'e ianek On 13 Lip, 15:04, selpa'i wrote: > Indeed, but the problem is that lindar used ke instead of ke'e. > The sentence he intended was: > le ke clani traji ke'e ce ke tordu traji ke'e nanmu ku co'e > To get the following structure: > le (ke clani traji ke'e) ce (ke tordu traji ke'e) nanmu ku co'e > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > Am 13.07.2012 14:51, schrieb .arpis.:> Doesn't parse; jbofi'e doesn't lik= e the {ce} after the {ke}. > > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Lindar > > wrote: > > > =A0 =A0 le ke clani traji ke ce ke tordu traji ke nanmu ku co'e > > > =A0 =A0 I win. =3DD > > -- > .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u > .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla > .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.