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On 14 July 2012 17:09, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Saturday 14 July 2012 07:00:41 selpa'i wrote:
>> Here are a few options:
>>
>> lo kumfa pe li pa re ci == "The room associated with the number 123"
>> lo kumfa pa re ci moi == "The 123th room"
>> lo me li pa re ci kumfa == "The 123-room"
>>
>> Replace kumfa with sorpeka/sorprekarce for the bus equivalents.
>
> The second one should be "lo pa re ci moi kumfa" or "lo kumfa co pa re ci
> moi".
>

Actually, I think that's arguable. If we were to make a lujvo for it,
we'd want PAmoi as the tertau, due to the seltau filling the moi2
place:
rodypavmoi = x1 is 1st in set x2 of brodas, x3=broda2, ...
xN-1=brodaN,  ordered by rule xN.

In clearer Lojban: lo ka rodypavmoi cu ka ce'u pamoi ce'u noi ke'a
broda ce'u li'o ku'o ce'u
In my opinion, that constitutes reason enough to use PAmoi as the
tertau, if one cares about the tanru/veljvo parallelism (which I
personally believe is fundamental.)

> "Bus 123" could mean the bus numbered 123 or the bus running on route 123. "lo
> pa re ci moi sorpeka" covers both because it's a tanru, thus ambiguous.

In order to disambiguate, we can use a me'o "quote" as a name for the
bus, and a veka'a sumtcita to indicate route:
lo sorpeka pe veka'a lo parecimoi -> "bus with route 123"
lo sorpeka pe me'e me'o pareci -> "bus #123" (perhaps an ID number on
the bus itself)

mu'o mi'e la tsani

>
> Pierre
>
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