Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:53758) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SqWzz-0003jx-MF; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:09:13 -0700 Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14sf1429858wib.16 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:08:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vhHo+ObP3dXBF+gShbKB+6fOY5jTtfuHEz7fgURGtmY=; b=FX1apJ57Guq8S+UF1GSXuMBpsV4c0WG4J0XVbIGgETEb8exwDtK6TMTJbsotxt3Idg C+UqDOhWsyaVOcGJwjzTPOgy+bNoma8QXcovOje1PLJWgQtwZOVuKi7wM9FgLSQQ7ZKY KXYpIsaEnZLKUfn9JaFmk7kogDN57EEATl3fI= Received: by 10.204.9.211 with SMTP id m19mr327210bkm.0.1342390136498; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.13.17 with SMTP id z17ls4195033bkz.5.gmail; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.126.4 with SMTP id gu4mr1418773bkc.8.1342390134668; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.126.4 with SMTP id gu4mr1418772bkc.8.1342390134655; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si3749625bks.0.2012.07.15.15.08.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.174; Received: by lbbgm6 with SMTP id gm6so7979890lbb.19 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:08:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.48.39 with SMTP id i7mr4413357lbn.31.1342390134261; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.28.134 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:08:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8226125c-b6b5-4f96-862a-28c390d5d8bf@googlegroups.com> References: <8226125c-b6b5-4f96-862a-28c390d5d8bf@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:08:54 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Translating "how" + infinitive From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1078 On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM, mudri wrote: > I'm trying to translate "I want to learn how to swim." (from Tatoeba). As > the title suggests, I'm okay with {mi djica lo ka cilre}, but I don't know > how to translate "how to swim" (or whether to put it in x2 or x3). If you > can answer the question, you might want to do the Tatoeba translation too. "cilre" as defined is for learning facts, not for acquiring skills. So I suggest "crebi'o" ("ko'a binxo lo certu be ko'e", "x1 becomes adept at doing x2") or if you want a place for your teacher or source of learning you can use "crecpa" ("ko'a cpacu lo ka ce'u certu ko'e kei ko'i", "x1 acquires skill x2 from x3"). mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.