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Since {certu} has an x3 "by standard" place, it arguably fits better than
{kakne}, which is an innate capacity. Even someone who doesn't know how to
swim has the innate capacity to do so (arguably).

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

> ki'e, but in this case wouldn't something like {ka'erbi'o} be more
> appropriate? djica1 probably isn't wanting to become an expert, just
> capable.
>
> mi djica lo ka ka'erbi'o lo nu limna
>
> On Sunday, 15 July 2012 23:08:54 UTC+1, xorxes wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM, mudri wrote:
>> > I'm trying to translate "I want to learn how to swim." (from Tatoeba).
>> As
>> > the title suggests, I'm okay with {mi djica lo ka cilre}, but I don't
>> know
>> > how to translate "how to swim" (or whether to put it in x2 or x3). If
>> you
>> > can answer the question, you might want to do the Tatoeba translation
>> too.
>>
>> "cilre" as defined is for learning facts, not for acquiring skills. So
>> I suggest "crebi'o" ("ko'a binxo lo certu be ko'e", "x1 becomes adept
>> at doing x2") or if you want a place for your teacher or source of
>> learning you can use "crecpa" ("ko'a cpacu lo ka ce'u certu ko'e kei
>> ko'i", "x1 acquires skill x2 from x3").
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
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Since {certu} has an x3 &quot;by standard&quot; place, it arguably fits bet=
ter than {kakne}, which is an innate capacity. Even someone who doesn&#39;t=
 know how to swim has the innate capacity to do so (arguably).<br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM, mudri <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:jammyatjammy@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jammyatjammy@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

ki&#39;e, but in this case wouldn&#39;t something like {ka&#39;erbi&#39;o} =
be more appropriate? djica1 probably isn&#39;t wanting to become an expert,=
 just capable.<div><br></div><div>mi djica lo ka ka&#39;erbi&#39;o lo nu li=
mna<br>

<br>On Sunday, 15 July 2012 23:08:54 UTC+1, xorxes  wrote:<div class=3D"im"=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM, m=
udri wrote:
<br>&gt; I&#39;m trying to translate &quot;I want to learn how to swim.&quo=
t; (from Tatoeba). As
<br>&gt; the title suggests, I&#39;m okay with {mi djica lo ka cilre}, but =
I don&#39;t know
<br>&gt; how to translate &quot;how to swim&quot; (or whether to put it in =
x2 or x3). If you
<br>&gt; can answer the question, you might want to do the Tatoeba translat=
ion too.
<br>
<br>&quot;cilre&quot; as defined is for learning facts, not for acquiring s=
kills. So
<br>I suggest &quot;crebi&#39;o&quot; (&quot;ko&#39;a binxo lo certu be ko&=
#39;e&quot;, &quot;x1 becomes adept
<br>at doing x2&quot;) or if you want a place for your teacher or source of
<br>learning you can use &quot;crecpa&quot; (&quot;ko&#39;a cpacu lo ka ce&=
#39;u certu ko&#39;e kei
<br>ko&#39;i&quot;, &quot;x1 acquires skill x2 from x3&quot;).
<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes
<br></blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"im">

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