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.ie le velski be zo kakne cu vasru zoi gy [also: has talent; *know how to*; 
know how to use (= plika'e)] gy .i pe'a le danfu mi pu caicta

On Sunday, 15 July 2012 23:31:39 UTC+1, xorxes wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:25 PM, .arpis. wrote: 
> > Since {certu} has an x3 "by standard" place, it arguably fits better 
> than 
> > {kakne}, which is an innate capacity. Even someone who doesn't know how 
> to 
> > swim has the innate capacity to do so (arguably). 
>
> "kakne" isn't defined as innate. That would be "se jinzi". 
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes 
>

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.ie le velski be zo kakne cu vasru zoi gy&nbsp;<span style=3D"color: rgb(0,=
 0, 0); white-space: pre-wrap; ">[also: has talent; <b>know how to</b>; kno=
w how to use (=3D plika'e)] gy .i pe'a le danfu mi pu caicta</span><br><br>=
On Sunday, 15 July 2012 23:31:39 UTC+1, xorxes  wrote:<blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:25 PM, .arpis. wrote:
<br>&gt; Since {certu} has an x3 "by standard" place, it arguably fits bett=
er than
<br>&gt; {kakne}, which is an innate capacity. Even someone who doesn't kno=
w how to
<br>&gt; swim has the innate capacity to do so (arguably).
<br>
<br>"kakne" isn't defined as innate. That would be "se jinzi".
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e xorxes
<br></blockquote>

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