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On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:

> I suggest:
>
> {.i mi pu cilre fi lo tadji be lo nu limna} - I learned how to swim. (lit.
> "I [past] learn [something] about (the method/technique of (the event of
> (is-a-swimmer))).")
>

It's that "about" that's the problem. I didn't necessarily learn anything
'about' anything, I learned a new skill, perhaps by being thrown in a
swimming pool. It's still "I learned to swim".

stevo

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Lindar=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
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I suggest:<div><br></div><div>{.i mi pu cilre fi lo tadji be lo nu limna} -=
 I learned how to swim. (lit. &quot;I [past] learn [something] about (the m=
ethod/technique of (the event of (is-a-swimmer))).&quot;)</div></blockquote=
>

<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s that &quot;about&quot; that&#39;s the problem.=
 I didn&#39;t necessarily learn anything &#39;about&#39; anything, I learne=
d a new skill, perhaps by being thrown in a swimming pool. It&#39;s still &=
quot;I learned to swim&quot;.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>stevo=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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