Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:64456) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SsdY0-000333-Kt; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:33:03 -0700 Received: by ggke5 with SMTP id e5sf5722124ggk.16 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=l7xAL+awX5c98LhbeWzNUA5xYD/DVtI4x2jMxS2o7gs=; b=UDZ+y3SM2eTZ2rkaXIwJaXCH1bB23H3nM4z+ZsNtz0ks9ypqau6Ezfr1RbN9FrXw0E YkJUref9En5Lv0sGKpGXHbvXfBB1nSloxtZNi7q8CFNbq50TT8RLjA4vIftl7JVwoSeN mwAiNvCZ9JmAbJj+XM8tGMYzEqQ18rvVwAUJ8= Received: by 10.50.6.130 with SMTP id b2mr1666671iga.5.1342891969784; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.62.136 with SMTP id x8ls5616228ibh.7.gmail; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.195.199 with SMTP id ig7mr8793395igc.3.1342891968794; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.195.199 with SMTP id ig7mr8793394igc.3.1342891968778; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com. [209.68.5.16]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id bg4si681685igb.3.2012.07.21.10.32.48; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.16 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.16; Received: (qmail 54818 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2012 17:32:47 -0000 Received: from 87.160.144.199 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.144.199) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2012 17:32:47 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.144.199 Message-ID: <500AE7BE.60001@plasmatix.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:32:46 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] When I leave, clean up the house. References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.16 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1760 Am 21.07.2012 18:39, schrieb tanbla: > coi > I have the two parts of the sentence: {lonu mi cliva} and {ko lumci le > zdani}, but I don't know how to put them together to get "When I > leave, clean up the house." I was thinking that there might be a word > that means "when event 1 becomes true event 2 becomes true" or > something like that, but I can't find it. You can tag an event with {ca}, which indicates that it happens at the same time as the main bridi: ko lumci lo zdani ca lo nu mi cliva "Clean the house when I leave." You can move this around in the bridi: .i [ca lo nu mi cliva kei] ko lumci lo zdani .i ko [ca lo nu mi cliva] cu lumci lo zdani {ca} always eats the immdediately-following sumti (when there is one). > One other thing: I can say {ko lumci ledo kumfa} which means "clean up > your room", but how do I say "John, clean up your room"? To indicate who you are addressing, you use {doi }. ko lumci lo do kumfa doi [la] .djon. The {la} can be omitted with cmevla (names that end in consonants, like djon, but should be included when using selbri as names. The doi-construct can also be moved around freely, e.g.: doi [la] .djon. ko lumci lo do kumfa Hope this helps mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.