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Your translation is what I thought it might be, though I'm still unsure if 
it is really based on personal interpretation or if there is a rule for 
this.
On Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:01:27 PM UTC-4, ianek wrote:
>
>
>
> On 21 Lip, 22:35, selpa'i <m...@plasmatix.com> wrote: 
> > Am 21.07.2012 22:02, schrieb tanbla: 
> > 
> > > coi 
> > > I was wondering how multiple questions/commands work in a sentence. 
> > > For example, what does {ko klama ma} mean? {xu ko klama}? {xu ko klama 
> > > ma}? 
> > 
> > I interpret a question containing both {xu} and {ma} as being two 
> > questions. (1a) is roughly equal to (1b): 
> > 
> > (1a) .i xu do viska ma 
> > 
> > (1b) .i xu do viska da .i je do viska ma 
> > "Do you see something, and what is it?". 
> > 
> > {ko klama ma} is a bit unusual, but you could understand it as "Where do 
> > I want you to go?". Again, (2a) and (2b) are roughly equivalent: 
>
> I see it otherwise. A sentence with {ko} is always a command, not a 
> question about a command. So for me this is something like {ko klama i 
> do klama ma}, ie. 'Go! Where will you go?'. 
>
> > 
> > (2a) ko klama ma 
> > 
> > (2b) mi minde do lo nu do klama ma 
> >       "I command you to go where?" 
> > 
> > Thus, {xu ko klama ma} would become: 
> > (3) .i xu mi minde do da .i je mi minde do lo nu do klama ma 
> >      "Do I command you to do something, and where do I command you to 
> go?" 
>
> Again, {xu} is a question about {klama}, not about "command"/{minde}. 
> I think this sentence is somewhat strained, but for me it would mean 
> "Go! Will you go and where?" 
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek 
>
> > 
> > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i 
> > 
> > -- 
> > .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u 
> > .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla 
> > .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata 
>

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Your translation is what I thought it might be, though I'm still unsure if =
it is really based on personal interpretation or if there is a rule for thi=
s.<br>On Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:01:27 PM UTC-4, ianek wrote:<blockquote =
style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: r=
gb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class=
=3D"gmail_quote">
<br>
<br>On 21 Lip, 22:35, selpa'i &lt;<a>m...@plasmatix.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; Am 21.07.2012 22:02, schrieb tanbla:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; coi
<br>&gt; &gt; I was wondering how multiple questions/commands work in a sen=
tence.
<br>&gt; &gt; For example, what does {ko klama ma} mean? {xu ko klama}? {xu=
 ko klama
<br>&gt; &gt; ma}?
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I interpret a question containing both {xu} and {ma} as being two
<br>&gt; questions. (1a) is roughly equal to (1b):
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; (1a) .i xu do viska ma
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; (1b) .i xu do viska da .i je do viska ma
<br>&gt; "Do you see something, and what is it?".
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; {ko klama ma} is a bit unusual, but you could understand it as "Wh=
ere do
<br>&gt; I want you to go?". Again, (2a) and (2b) are roughly equivalent:
<br>
<br>I see it otherwise. A sentence with {ko} is always a command, not a
<br>question about a command. So for me this is something like {ko klama i
<br>do klama ma}, ie. 'Go! Where will you go?'.
<br>
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; (2a) ko klama ma
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; (2b) mi minde do lo nu do klama ma
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "I command you to go where?"
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Thus, {xu ko klama ma} would become:
<br>&gt; (3) .i xu mi minde do da .i je mi minde do lo nu do klama ma
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"Do I command you to do something, and where d=
o I command you to go?"
<br>
<br>Again, {xu} is a question about {klama}, not about "command"/{minde}.
<br>I think this sentence is somewhat strained, but for me it would mean
<br>"Go! Will you go and where?"
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e ianek
<br>
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; --
<br>&gt; .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u
<br>&gt; .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla
<br>&gt; .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata
<br></blockquote>

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