Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:57237) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SsovE-0007cV-6V; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:46 -0700 Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10sf6112053vcb.16 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xDu/i8HtPlMuQqC2xOfD7zrExGuaqyEkiLokBs2rSZ0=; b=LAKBbyp9O4d7S0nU18Xi1bmOxGhA+a2wqPxtfXKf5IkQNinAvZ8NYNZYKOSlI69JWO zFat77fPIpz5jnhpDFnuucl57Ypje7UhafzTdti1Gj2AAVtSSgV//2dOY6kxVfgALNAH yJj+c2i7ogSpSEGQKJ/rvQrtEl/k1pkcZho5I= Received: by 10.68.197.70 with SMTP id is6mr1472333pbc.14.1342935692990; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.129.226 with SMTP id nz2ls2854949pbb.5.gmail; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.241.162 with SMTP id wj2mr1826839pbc.2.1342935692672; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.241.162 with SMTP id wj2mr1826838pbc.2.1342935692662; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vj10si3660580pbc.0.2012.07.21.22.41.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.43; Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id wz7so8790246pbc.2 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.73.70 with SMTP id j6mr22418963pav.5.1342935692476; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.44.71 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:41:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <500B129A.6050000@plasmatix.com> References: <500B129A.6050000@plasmatix.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 02:41:31 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ko klama ma From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 951 The effects of {ko} and question-words on a bridi are fairly orthogonal, and I don't see why one should scope over another. {xu ko klama ma} is commanding the listener to go, asking whether or not he goes and asking whereto he goes. Both {xu} and {ko} remove any declarative force from the bridi, so nothing is being asserted. On 21 July 2012 17:35, selpa'i wrote: > (2a) ko klama ma > > (2b) mi minde do lo nu do klama ma > "I command you to go where?" > By a similar logic, from {do klama ma} we could get {mi xusra lo du'u do klama ma} mu'o mi'e .asiz. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.