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On Thursday 16 August 2012 04:49:02 cariar.jermanis. wrote:
> Coi Pierre,
>
> I am a little surprised that no gismu for "scale" had been contrived during
> the invention process. Well, I guess I will make do with "kapkarda." But
> when I think about it, "kapkardamantyctimabru" would be a very long word to
> use conventionally, so I think using a fi'uvla would be better here.
> "Gurmabru" could also be used for the armadillo, which also rolls into a
> ball.

A similar problem occurs with "jesymabru", which could refer to a hedgehog 
(ernace), a porcupine (jesyratcu), or a spiny anteater (zalgosu). The 
armadillo is called "cakmabru".

> On the frog life-stages, I feel that since the larvae of frogs and toads
> are very distinct from their adult counterparts - while the larvae of
> salamanders are not so much save for their gills and number of legs,
> "cifpi'ebanfi," "ci'orpi'ebanfi," etc. for "tadpole,"
> "froglet/metamorphizing tadpole," etc. would remain fine if one wants to
> refer specifically to frogs and toads. However, if one wants to refer to
> amphibians in general, the terms you suggested aren't disagreeable either.
> Lincro suggested "jbi(pi'e)banfi" if I wanted to express that a
> metamorphizing tadpole is an "almost/near-frog." Perhaps I will use that to
> describe an evolutionary ancestor of frogs. As for the axolotl, well:
>
> le aclotli. ci'orbanfi.
>
> Or what I hope to be correctly saying:
>
> "The axolotl remains young."

I think what you mean is "lo .aclotli cu ci'orvi'o lo nu se jaurfepri", 
where "ci'orvi'o" means "neotenous" and I'm open to suggestions about this 
word.

> On possible words for extinction, could the "jutmro" that you proposed be
> placed like this:
>
> x1 is/is made extinct by x2 through/by means of x3.

"morsi", and therefore "jutmro", don't have a place for the cause of death. 
You want "jutmro" or "jutycatra".

> Also, if, for example, I wanted to say "the extinction of the dodo," would
> I say:
>
> la jutmro. le dodo.

You'd say "le nu lo cipnrdodo cu jutmrobi'o". "dodo" is a repeated 
pronoun; "le dodo" is ungrammatical.

Pierre
-- 
lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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