Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:59713) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sya3m-0007OT-EE; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:02:22 -0700 Received: by yenq11 with SMTP id q11sf2460597yen.16 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:02:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=fJ0Wx0YrXOKV7n5akz+RbDuqi77Ycu4ryFwG2rA0YtQ=; b=SpC5rbqo1U5z3zrEq9lX/Q97anbyL8OuzLfbQXp5n2jYzMlgjMVgadbW3RXmvviLiT r2bUFjYYkh5CeN+41QGfGQYhfcfH0P459rP4n1HPXrMTvIFel35WI84Drld5f6RlTkd1 YRJgOQjQk8M9bu/Ew+Ev6GHWM415OGfNJHF4A= Received: by 10.236.185.98 with SMTP id t62mr13472yhm.7.1344308531659; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:02:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.74.30 with SMTP id w30ls5243ana.5.gmail; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.177.72 with SMTP id c48mr7019767yhm.31.1344308531035; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.177.72 with SMTP id c48mr7019766yhm.31.1344308531004; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id u67si4830520yhi.7.2012.08.06.20.02.10; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from ip6-localhost (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5618217DD for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:02:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] sedu'u and ko Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:02:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201208062302.06087.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1498 On Monday 06 August 2012 22:37:34 .iocikun.juj. wrote: > coi > > I have a question. > If the man said to the woman: "do cusku sedu'u mi prami do" > First "do" is the woman, but which is second "do", the man or the woman? > The man loves the woman or the woman loves the man? "do cusku sedu'u mi prami do" means "You are a said expression of me loving you". I think you mean "do cusku lo sedu'u mi prami do". The second "do" refers to the same person as the first "do". It would be otherwise if you had said "do cusku lu mi prami do li'u". > And, does "do cusku sedu'u ko prami" tell "Please say" or "Please love"? > In CLL Chapter 7, example 2.6 "mi viska le prenu poi prami ko" tells > "Please show." > But can "sedu'u" bridi be interpreted like "poi" bridi. "mi viska le prenu poi prami ko" can mean either "Let me see the person who loves you" or "Be loved by the person I see". "do cusku lo sedu'u ko prami" is not a command; it is an assertion that someone is saying a command to himself. I don't know a language with a true first-person imperative, so I don't know how to say it. Pierre -- gau do li'i co'e kei do -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.