Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:50393) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SycfH-00089j-Ia; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:49:15 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf4812894ghb.16 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:49:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fQSndn4deUFWo55+UZFC695kz+x5ScCjM3VYSDq4kEM=; b=vuHBjMf8BKe8zmErT4YUbfIO/qL3B74SfgLnRzflruU18qHTw253N+quVdzdX7FiwH E+83W5iT0ougGz1mTjaSPebL03fd5Wt4j2LKPOrunBM5GgTp+L+eLOziH5x2RXpCpEHG qLajjokoLg9FPnS9507G5F9OfvovaLstyD6cI= Received: by 10.236.186.34 with SMTP id v22mr2277441yhm.9.1344318544530; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:49:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.186.72 with SMTP id v48ls141068yhm.7.gmail; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:49:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr2300193yhm.0.1344318542155; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by j28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:49:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201208070002.10472.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201208062302.06087.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201208070002.10472.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/11.04 Chromium/18.0.1025.151 Chrome/18.0.1025.151 Safari/535.19,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <790b043f-085d-479d-98ab-5dbe51bf04b6@j28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sedu'u and ko From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1413 Definition of {du'u}: x1 is predication [bridi] expressed in sentence x2 So {se} works not directly on {du'u}, but on {du'u broda}, wich means 'x1 is a fact of broda expressed in sentence x2'. Then {lo du'u broda} means 'a fact of broda' and {lo se du'u} means 'a sentence expressing a fact of broda'. mu'o mi'e ianek On 7 Sie, 06:02, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 06 August 2012 23:51:58 Luke Bergen wrote: > > > =A0Is that true? =A0If it were "lo du'u mi prami do" it would be true f= or sure. > > =A0But isn't "sedu'u" the text which expresses the bridi x1? > > > sedu'u has always kind of confused me. =A0It's not a bridi, it's a "tex= t > > expressing [bridi] which is x2", but not the kind of "text" that you ge= t > > with lu li'u? > > "do cusku lo sedu'u mi prami do" is equivalent to "do cusku lu do prami m= i > li'u" (except that in the first case it could have been said in Greek or > Ithkuil or anything else). > > Pierre > > -- > Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.