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On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This
> means that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...". Since
> the name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact we have
> to flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of {cmene}
> (or the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which means we
> use {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are announcing
> that /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi} or
> {mi'a}, the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes the
> addressee(s), whereas {mi} does not. So, we have:
>
> {mi'a selcme zo.borg.}
>
> For "We are the Borg".
>
>
  You actually don't need to do that.  "mi'e [la] borg."   works perfectly
fine.  Mi'e not only serves not only to indicate the speaker, but to label
them.
     --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at=
 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">
For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This m=
eans that the gismu {cmene} is needed: &quot;x1 is the name of x2...&quot;.=
 Since the name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact =
we have to flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of =
{cmene} (or the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which m=
eans we use {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are ann=
ouncing that /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi}=
 or {mi&#39;a}, the difference being that {mi&#39;a} explicitly excludes th=
e addressee(s), whereas {mi} does not. So, we have:<br>

<br>{mi&#39;a selcme zo.borg.}<br><br>For &quot;We are the Borg&quot;.<br><=
br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 You actually don&#39;t need to do t=
hat. =A0&quot;mi&#39;e [la] borg.&quot; =A0=A0works perfectly fine. =A0Mi&#=
39;e not only serves not only to indicate the speaker, but to label them.</=
div>
<div>=A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><br></div></div></div>

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