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Am 24.09.2012 18:05, schrieb gleki:
> to have. How do you usually translate it? I thought of {tolclaxu} but=20
> what is your opinion?
> Here are two basic meaning of "to have".
>
>  1.  (transitive <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transitive>) To
>     possess <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/possess>, own
>     <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/own>, hold
>     <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hold>.
>
>         /I *have* a house and a car./
>         /Look what I *have* here =97 a frog I found on the street!/
>
>  2. (transitive <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transitive>) To be
>     related <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/related> in some way to
>     (with the object identifying the relationship).
>
>         /I *have* two sisters./
>         /The dog down the street *has* a lax owner./
>

There is no one-size-fits-all Lojban word for the English "to have",=20
which has a multitude of different meanings. Therefore, in Lojban, you=20
don't map "to have" to a word, but rather map each different meaning to=20
a Lojban equivalent.

mi ponse lo zdani .e lo karce
I have a house and a car.

mi se mensi re da
I have two sisters.

mi do ba'o viska
I have seen you.

mi bilga lo nu cliva
I have to leave.

As you can see, you have to translate meaning, not words.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

--=20
fi'o co'e ko'a ki'e soi la'e vei jo'i pe'o su'i by
    lo nu lu tu'e ne zu'i zi'e noi toldi
    nu'i li rau ke me dei to be zi'o ce'u du zo'e bu'a

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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix"><tt>Am 24.09.2012 18:05, schrieb gleki:<=
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o
              have. How do you usually translate it? I thought of
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an></tt></div>
      <div><tt><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 17px;">Here
            are two basic meaning of "to have".</span></tt></div>
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          </span></tt></div>
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an
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              href=3D"http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hold" title=3D"hold"
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a
                  car.</i></tt></dd>
            <dd style=3D"line-height: 1.5em; margin-left: 1.6em;
              margin-bottom: 0.1em; "><tt><i>Look what I=A0<b>have</b>=A0he=
re
                  =97 a frog I found on the street!</i></tt></dd>
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                href=3D"http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transitive"
                title=3D"transitive" style=3D"color: rgb(11, 0, 128);
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an
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</tt><tt><a
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              margin-bottom: 0.1em; "><tt><i>I=A0<b>have</b>=A0two sisters.=
</i></tt></dd>
            <dd style=3D"line-height: 1.5em; margin-left: 1.6em;
              margin-bottom: 0.1em; "><tt><i>The dog down the street=A0<b>h=
as</b>=A0a
                  lax owner.</i></tt></dd>
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    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>There is no one-size-fits-all Lojban word for the English
      "to have", which has a multitude of different meanings. Therefore,
      in Lojban, you don't map "to have" to a word, but rather map each
      different meaning to a Lojban equivalent.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>mi ponse lo zdani .e lo karce</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>I have a house and a car.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>mi se mensi re da</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>I have two sisters.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>mi do ba'o viska</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>I have seen you.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>mi bilga lo nu cliva</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>I have to leave</tt><tt>.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>As you can see, you have to translate meaning, not words.</tt>=
<tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i</tt><tt><br>
    </tt>
    <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20
fi'o co'e ko'a ki'e soi la'e vei jo'i pe'o su'i by=20
   lo nu lu tu'e ne zu'i zi'e noi toldi=20
   nu'i li rau ke me dei to be zi'o ce'u du zo'e bu'a</pre>
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