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3  Make it a quotation
        .i lu uufuuf li'u

I meant...
. i lo'u uufuuf le'u
...per .arpis suggestion.

On Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:13:59 AM UTC-6, Adam Milligan wrote:
>
> Wow!  Thanks all.  Looking at these suggestions I think I like 'uuf' for 
> my dog sound.  (I honestly wasn't even aware of 'uu' as a diphthong...I 
> told you I was new to this language).  So now I am left with a number of 
> option for constructing it.  Do I...
>
> 1.  Just say it.  
>         .i uufuuf
> 2.  Call it an onomatopoeia
>         .i  sa'ei uufuuf
> 3  Make it a quotation
>         .i lu uufuuf li'u
> 4.  Some other option?
>
> Again, I really appreciate all your help.
>
> Adam 
>
> On Sunday, September 9, 2012 3:27:09 AM UTC-6, tijlan wrote:
>>
>> "Woof!" isn't always a noise. Many non-human expressions are still 
>> cognitive products and represent something in a non-random way. They 
>> can have meanings and are different from non-cognitive sounds such as 
>> "Splash!". 
>>
>> "Woof!" may not have a layered syntax or an argument structure, which 
>> is analogous to Lojban's observatives (selbri-only expressions). An 
>> observative with an avalent (zero-argument) brivla could work much as 
>> "Woof!", in my opinion. 
>>
>> If we were to create a brivla for each animal exression, probably we 
>> would have to tap into the expandability of fu'ivla, much like we did 
>> for certain ISO codes: 
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdENVckVaOTJLbVdGVE5SeGJ0MTBTbGc 
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGNYUFhrdmV1cmpLeVVQZkNSU3dBYUE 
>>
>> We could have a similar list of expressional sounds using some kind of 
>> indicative prefixes. For example: 
>>
>> cmo,ufu / gerku,uu (Woof!) 
>> cmonkua / datkakua (Quack!) 
>> cmomiau / mlatumiau (Meow!) 
>>
>> molxisi / sincexisi (Hiss!) 
>>
>> zbi,onki / xarju,onki (Oink!) 
>>
>> These would all be zero-argument and compatible with {lu ... li'u}. 
>>
>>
>> mu'o 
>>
>

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<div>3 &nbsp;Make it a quotation</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; .i l=
u uufuuf li'u</div><div><br></div><div>I meant...</div><div>. i lo'u uufuuf=
 le'u</div><div>...per .arpis suggestion.</div><br>On Sunday, September 9, =
2012 9:13:59 AM UTC-6, Adam Milligan wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left: 1ex;">Wow! &nbsp;Thanks all. &nbsp;Looking at these suggestions I th=
ink I like 'uuf' for my dog sound. &nbsp;(I honestly wasn't even aware of '=
uu' as a diphthong...I told you I was new to this language). &nbsp;So now I=
 am left with a number of option for constructing it. &nbsp;Do I...<div><br=
></div><div>1. &nbsp;Just say it. &nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; .i uufuuf</div><div>2. &nbsp;Call it an&nbsp;onomatopoeia</div><div>&nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; .i &nbsp;sa'ei uufuuf</div><div>3 &nbsp;Make it a =
quotation</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; .i lu uufuuf li'u</div><div=
>4. &nbsp;Some other option?</div><div><br></div><div>Again, I really appre=
ciate all your help.</div><div><br></div><div>Adam&nbsp;</div><div><br>On S=
unday, September 9, 2012 3:27:09 AM UTC-6, tijlan wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">"Woof!" isn't always a noise. Many non-human express=
ions are still
<br>cognitive products and represent something in a non-random way. They
<br>can have meanings and are different from non-cognitive sounds such as
<br>"Splash!".
<br>
<br>"Woof!" may not have a layered syntax or an argument structure, which
<br>is analogous to Lojban's observatives (selbri-only expressions). An
<br>observative with an avalent (zero-argument) brivla could work much as
<br>"Woof!", in my opinion.
<br>
<br>If we were to create a brivla for each animal exression, probably we
<br>would have to tap into the expandability of fu'ivla, much like we did
<br>for certain ISO codes:
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwd=
ENVckVaOTJLbVdGVE5SeGJ0MTBTbGc" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.com/<=
wbr>spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D<wbr>0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdENVckVaOTJLbVdGV<wbr>E5SeGJ0MT=
BTbGc</a>
<br><a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwd=
GNYUFhrdmV1cmpLeVVQZkNSU3dBYUE" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.com/<=
wbr>spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D<wbr>0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGNYUFhrdmV1cmpLe<wbr>VVQZkNSU3=
dBYUE</a>
<br>
<br>We could have a similar list of expressional sounds using some kind of
<br>indicative prefixes. For example:
<br>
<br>cmo,ufu / gerku,uu (Woof!)
<br>cmonkua / datkakua (Quack!)
<br>cmomiau / mlatumiau (Meow!)
<br>
<br>molxisi / sincexisi (Hiss!)
<br>
<br>zbi,onki / xarju,onki (Oink!)
<br>
<br>These would all be zero-argument and compatible with {lu ... li'u}.
<br>
<br>
<br>mu'o
<br></blockquote></div></blockquote>

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