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On Tuesday, 16 October 2012 05:24:08 UTC+1, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Monday, October 15, 2012 13:31:16 mashers wrote:=20
> > Am I to assume that phonological assimilation should be avoided when=20
> > speaking Lojban aloud?=20
>
> Depends on what you're assimilating. Concerning the nasals, /n/ may be=20
> assimilated to [=C5=8B] before /g,k,x/, but may not be assimilated to [=
=C9=B1]=20
> before=20
> /f,v/. Contrariwise /m/ may be assimilated before /f,v/, but not before=
=20
> /g,k,x/.


It sounds like allophones are allowed, but one per phoneme. So [n] -> /=C5=
=8B/=20
is allowed, and [m] -> /=C9=B1/ is allowed, but [n] -> /=C9=B1/ is not allo=
wed=20
because /=C9=B1/ and /=C5=8B/ are effectively contrastive. Is that correct?

=20

> One must not be too hasty to=20
> be discharged from a hospital, for one would be an impatient inpatient.=
=20
>

Great example :)=20


Thanks for all the other points you raised - I'm going to archive your post=
=20
in my Lojban notes for future reference.

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<br><br>On Tuesday, 16 October 2012 05:24:08 UTC+1, Pierre Abbat  wrote:<bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border=
-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Monday, October 15, 2012 13:31=
:16 mashers wrote:
<br>&gt; Am I to assume that phonological assimilation should be avoided wh=
en
<br>&gt; speaking Lojban aloud?
<br>
<br>Depends on what you're assimilating. Concerning the nasals, /n/ may be=
=20
<br>assimilated to [=C5=8B] before /g,k,x/, but may not be assimilated to [=
=C9=B1] before=20
<br>/f,v/. Contrariwise /m/ may be assimilated before /f,v/, but not before=
=20
<br>/g,k,x/.</blockquote><div><br>It sounds like allophones are allowed, bu=
t one per phoneme. So [n] -&gt; /=C5=8B/ is allowed, and [m] -&gt; /=C9=B1/=
 is allowed, but [n] -&gt; /=C9=B1/ is not allowed because /=C9=B1/ and /=
=C5=8B/ are effectively contrastive. Is that correct?<br><br>&nbsp;</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-=
left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">One must not be too=
 hasty to=20
<br>be discharged from a hospital, for one would be an impatient inpatient.
<br></blockquote><div><br>Great example :)&nbsp;<br><br><br>Thanks for all =
the other points you raised - I'm going to archive your post in my Lojban n=
otes for future reference.<br></div>

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