Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:37872) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TO4gq-0006fB-10; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:48:07 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id fl17sf5268883vcb.16 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:47:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1C1RE7yMKcHjmpUhkuuxcNBs7GxglILQfdTDqEUGpSA=; b=m6WgljPjEwQiU4RRF2XU+hauoHjApqZzVN4D1Ih/oAoknim1XzFiT3iHit/3BBZUGR 6k2s7LbdnIcLrPUPp6r7uSj9z7EFHs567eQipO2uC7Z4JBnEhXUn9G8XxYj0rpyQePUj dI3P/6LCHq5Y5mhLH0Nb7bO3CjxZTx/AJde6995i/+Q+2AErZ4hRqviRlYDuFfc1jlhM t3AVKnKoMLtErI6ixVIekTDxaqky6H662k/V1ki43v8cGWYfUUNPpmopvRCawVDi2xMo J/CCK+WHsu47/jVTTv9PC6s4iofjUY1fFNV51dJn9dWOeiNDqoPfw5IC4rKawQJlt8/x q2hA== Received: by 10.52.71.82 with SMTP id s18mr2194025vdu.9.1350384473305; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:47:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.154.17 with SMTP id m17ls4132649vcw.1.gmail; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.72.100 with SMTP id c4mr2747814vdv.5.1350384472999; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.72.100 with SMTP id c4mr2747813vdv.5.1350384472987; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ef10si1069182vdb.3.2012.10.16.03.47.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jimr1603@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.50; Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fa15so7717287vbb.37 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.221.11.133 with SMTP id pe5mr8389749vcb.28.1350384472849; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.217.229 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <353569C5-9E1A-47F1-A569-3810C2D6A04E@cosmicray.co.uk> References: <2a53328e-272e-4c2b-ae57-71919c43b796@googlegroups.com> <20121016055446.GQ16989@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <353569C5-9E1A-47F1-A569-3810C2D6A04E@cosmicray.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:47:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojbanic children From: james riley To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jimr1603@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jimr1603@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jimr1603@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2653 Does this cross language families? Possible explanation: "Child has said something! It's clearly said my name, it wants my attention. I am loved by this lump of flesh that has mostly screamed and shat for months!" cmacis On 16 October 2012 11:43, CosmicRay wrote: > My 17-month old has a working vocabulary of around a thousand words or so > but still reverts to calling her mother "mama" when she's very tired or > upset, it definitely isn't babbled and definitely isn't something we've > taught her. Interesting phenomenon that it's so widespread :-) > > kozmikreis > > On 16 Oct 2012, at 11:17, mashers wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, 16 October 2012 06:54:49 UTC+1, Robin Powell wrote: >> >> Yeah, the only verbal words they know are "mama"[1] and "hi!", both >> pretty iffily, so I can't usefully comment yet. >> >> [1]: It's interesting that we didn't actually say "mama", or >> anything much like it, to them very much at all. I have a suspicion >> that those sounds are a human built-in in some fashion. > > > Yep, [mama] is usually part of reduplicative babble demonstrated by infants. > [m] is a common sound in most languages (and exists in pretty much every > language on the planet) so tends to be babbled a lot, and often mistaken for > a word ("mama"). > > How much Lojban are you speaking to them? And what other languages are they > hearing in their environment? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/iUnTxWQbOMgJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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