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[85.115.56.190]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g4si106296pax.1.2012.10.16.03.57.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk designates 85.115.56.190 as permitted sender) client-ip=85.115.56.190; Received: from aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk (aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk [195.188.21.21]) by rly37b.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) with ESMTP id q9GAvNF4015852 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:57:46 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [lojban-beginners] Lojbanic children Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:56:23 +0100 Message-ID: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D38377D69A8@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Lojbanic children Thread-Index: Ac2ri7ldhR8E53FcR6Own4dlfLFOjwAANUcQ From: "Michael Eaton" To: X-Scanned-By: MailControl 9446.0 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.66.0.147 X-Original-Sender: michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk designates 85.115.56.190 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4055 Just to muddy the waters, slightly - my wife died when my youngest daughter= was just two weeks old. The first 'word' she sounded was dada, not mama, s= o I'm not entirely certain 'mama' can be considered /that/ much a reflex. T= hough, obviously, I acknowledge there was coaching. -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of james riley Sent: 16 October 2012 11:48 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojbanic children Does this cross language families? Possible explanation: "Child has said something! It's clearly said my name, it wants my attention. I am loved by this lump of flesh that has mostly screamed and shat for months!" cmacis On 16 October 2012 11:43, CosmicRay wrote: > My 17-month old has a working vocabulary of around a thousand words or s= o > but still reverts to calling her mother "mama" when she's very tired or > upset, it definitely isn't babbled and definitely isn't something we've > taught her. Interesting phenomenon that it's so widespread :-) > > kozmikreis > > On 16 Oct 2012, at 11:17, mashers wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, 16 October 2012 06:54:49 UTC+1, Robin Powell wrote: >> >> Yeah, the only verbal words they know are "mama"[1] and "hi!", both >> pretty iffily, so I can't usefully comment yet. >> >> [1]: It's interesting that we didn't actually say "mama", or >> anything much like it, to them very much at all. I have a suspicion >> that those sounds are a human built-in in some fashion. > > > Yep, [mama] is usually part of reduplicative babble demonstrated by infan= ts. > [m] is a common sound in most languages (and exists in pretty much every > language on the planet) so tends to be babbled a lot, and often mistaken = for > a word ("mama"). > > How much Lojban are you speaking to them? 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