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Oh yes, I think every parent keenly listens out for what they want to hear,=
 but I don't think that's the whole story.  What I'm saying is how specific=
ally the untaught "mama" is sometimes used at a stage when a baby can clear=
ly articulate nouns for close relatives ("mummy", "daddy", "nanny", "granda=
d", "uncle", "auntie", etc).

Whether it crosses language families is a very good question, any takers?

kozmikreis



On 16 Oct 2012, at 11:47, james riley <jimr1603@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does this cross language families? Possible explanation: "Child has
> said something! It's clearly said my name, it wants my attention. I am
> loved by this lump of flesh that has mostly screamed and shat for
> months!"
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> On 16 October 2012 11:43, CosmicRay <cr@cosmicray.co.uk> wrote:
>> My 17-month old has a working vocabulary of around a thousand words  or =
so
>> but still reverts to calling her mother "mama" when she's very tired or
>> upset, it definitely isn't babbled and definitely isn't something we've
>> taught her.  Interesting phenomenon that it's so widespread :-)
>>=20
>> kozmikreis
>>=20
>> On 16 Oct 2012, at 11:17, mashers <mail@mashley.net> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Tuesday, 16 October 2012 06:54:49 UTC+1, Robin Powell wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Yeah, the only verbal words they know are "mama"[1] and "hi!", both
>>> pretty iffily, so I can't usefully comment yet.
>>>=20
>>> [1]: It's interesting that we didn't actually say "mama", or
>>> anything much like it, to them very much at all.  I have a suspicion
>>> that those sounds are a human built-in in some fashion.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Yep, [mama] is usually part of reduplicative babble demonstrated by infa=
nts.
>> [m] is a common sound in most languages (and exists in pretty much every
>> language on the planet) so tends to be babbled a lot, and often mistaken=
 for
>> a word ("mama").
>>=20
>> How much Lojban are you speaking to them? And what other languages are t=
hey
>> hearing in their environment?
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