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(87.160.143.122) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2012 20:05:38 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.143.122 Message-ID: <508D9016.1020409@plasmatix.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:05:42 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Should" and "would" References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.17 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1925 Am 28.10.2012 20:27, schrieb mudri: > Is there any way in Lojban to talk about what one should do, should have > done or would do in a given event? I've been looking for a while, but > can't find anything. For "should", the word {.ei} is usually used: .ei do xendo lo cnino You should be kind to strangers. .ei do ta pu na lebna You should not have taken that. .ei mi ma zukte What should I do? For "would", it's slightly more difficult. "Would" usually marks a=20 phrase as non-factual, which is done by {da'i}: ju'o da'i do se pluka You would surely enjoy it. da'i do se xamgu It would be good for you. Sometimes, the "would" appears together with an if-clause, in which case=20 a {da'i} isn't always needed: mi va'o lo nu [da'i] mi jipci cu na kuckla lo dargu If I was a chicken, I wouldn't cross the road. Here the {da'i} is not strictly needed, because the event tagged by va'o=20 is not claimed by the speaker. The {da'i} can be used to add emphasis on=20 the non-factualness of the sentence, however. There is also a less common way for "would" that uses {mu'ei}: lo nu sidju lo drata kei mi ro mu'ei pluka I would always enjoy helping others. mi no mu'ei lo du'u do mi slabu cu na djica lo nu mi do speni In no world in which I know you would I not want to marry you. Hope this helps. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.