Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:56674) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TMWcm-00047T-U2; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:36 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o21sf1956662yho.16 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ydcu731GpRN0UL0bmo6cGJ4Jdd/8YWcnvm/RJJ9MCXw=; b=Ok13UXkfIjvYHgDskodDBYy3SsqRcrBwRPhVyCNukbrVsw6RWOa42UDL0bFEBDG+AC i+hnBgfBTZbh4Y53dShnHDuSLW4wSkqsrbx7j7NMcwbpuEU0y3wGdqBb22drPc0C0f0m 5Z5ILv+whPGw5GLQWVyDi2AdWKJXWuZf3PKKN1pNOeKlX0fjcyCYvzsLNDD05My+FxwL ea9fma1vO/AX6/qicTm9UAYzNNNoeBJMf0moqHswM4eYvmK58Gf6IwT//T40mmcHxau9 J6tGDgRL9BDEr7+OI3t3jX4nNVYitGTIp6gHmJVdOhoSmLUXExlHpXKxFqwbz8J0oRAv sJNg== Received: by 10.68.223.229 with SMTP id qx5mr877964pbc.15.1350015198215; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.197.163 with SMTP id iv3ls9086232pbc.9.gmail; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.85.137 with SMTP id h9mr822012paz.16.1350015197678; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.85.137 with SMTP id h9mr822011paz.16.1350015197669; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com (mail-pb0-f52.google.com [209.85.160.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nt8si1725514pbb.1.2012.10.11.21.13.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.52; Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id rr13so2789730pbb.39 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.229.201 with SMTP id ss9mr10145601pbc.80.1350015197511; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.136.162 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3dce2eae-f93d-4ce4-8965-3d6b61a7f7bf@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 01:13:17 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] I think I can use "kau" to express Japanese "ga" and "wa" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 12 October 2012 00:16, Jacob Errington wrote: > {.i do xu klama} "Is it you who goes?" (as opposed to someone else) > {.i do klama xu} "Are you *going*?" (as opposed to doing something else) > [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (felipeg.assis[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid Content-Length: 1216 On 12 October 2012 00:16, Jacob Errington wrote: > {.i do xu klama} "Is it you who goes?" (as opposed to someone else) > {.i do klama xu} "Are you *going*?" (as opposed to doing something else) > I understood that "watashi ga/wa iku" are declarations, not questions... In any case, it is relevant to point that, in the case of yes/no questions, the non-initial position of {xu} marks the preceding element as a focus of the question, no doubt or debate on that. In other words, if {kau} marked the focus of sentences in general, the following pairs could be considered equivalent. {.i do xu klama} ~ {.i xu do kau klama} {.i do klama xu} ~ {.i xu do klama kau} mu'o mi'e .asiz. > On 11 October 2012 17:21, .iocikun.juj. wrote: >> English "I go" is "watashi ga iku" or "watashi wa iku" in Japanese. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.