Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:53620) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TMvZM-0003io-S4; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:51:37 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o21sf2864996yho.16 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:51:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hW6pEaBUOKDJffAXM5DdQwDmPMlE1R4CwYF8+RCnY28=; b=RWcyIZjS8g1edse1VrnFv5ld95UbFVVjceFBAjZ50oeamhCCbUkgsWEHhehJJ4iRvW WR+9ZQFPmF0+aYRjEwqBvlDt27BqoWeAR7IcKaOCpYDJiFHqIkySey2QC3Z9jaeAzjuX GAHU7FpyUHwDM4kvpaCSe01rEQYv6HjgUSZ5Rae9/EXiDQW6sUP+i+PO8o5AtfdYDeCe 6SlWALqqpeGI1no2lw7hHKQ46QFPuw4BgfFpuxoBUaKdQcTEj9VhBSjqnN+OCHJSUvcb n6J09/d4RYqWkZ62F1GBLZuNFEwjd/3OuK0cZPUNMIHz/jlLxG2mwj3ENenuFTotWKce uVtg== Received: by 10.236.88.236 with SMTP id a72mr945607yhf.20.1350111086266; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:51:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.132.114 with SMTP id n78ls5583498yhi.9.gmail; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.110.67 with SMTP id t43mr940979yhg.6.1350111085821; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:51:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mashers To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Place structure vs. grammatical morphemes MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: mail@mashley.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1047 But those roles still exist. They are defined in the brivla. The only diffe= rence I can see is that the role being specified is not announced explicitl= y, it is implied by the place structure of the brivla. Surely the same effe= ct could be achieved by having a more flexible or complete set of pronouns/= prepositions, resulting in greater breadth of communication of the semantic= s while still allowing the speaker to be explicit about the role they are t= alking about without assuming that the listener is familiar with the place = structure of the brivla. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban-beginners/-/KWlAKegbj3AJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.