Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:38727) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TNLYB-0002pE-5R; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:36:07 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o6sf3708658oag.16 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:35:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vDtFGdrrQqGmW34eLDcdUtpCzXQ0YCccrGN7gnvdkLs=; b=Xie7enVAW2uchPDTFIBF4umt/SIbiaSHTUq2wxKT0DLyqyyu7m8P00QKZkuA1+wfJG I+ojKt60xDM2YxrsASJ/SBsHSv9OIohGzJ1asEORepq8uVnqWUgXL/iuERLTUnwBjUFx ayzc8mneDcXBulvqqby9q/+ftY0EmSCYsyL1r0CTEUIOZQCWXzRgMNOjJJm2PdNXTvhH yD2ikb+bY5rLYbRLreKfWkLZ1eSG10m3dBp8lCGaOKsd1y7oCvnxUVV1IaI/n9QkB5O0 W30lvzOPqLeaW60OQnx+fIkYGQATVkBITuX0ydMBP92x40dpdR70sQT7oHsMZozE5hnv XNYA== Received: by 10.52.28.45 with SMTP id y13mr1384594vdg.10.1350210956348; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:35:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.224.8 with SMTP id im8ls2944902vcb.4.gmail; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.28.45 with SMTP id y13mr1384593vdg.10.1350210955966; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: mashers To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <6be716be-fc45-4938-9ed8-8242e26b6483@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Place structure vs. grammatical morphemes MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: mail@mashley.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_111_26299202.1350210955587" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3711 ------=_Part_111_26299202.1350210955587 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Saturday, 13 October 2012 20:44:17 UTC+1, .asiz. wrote: > > The roles _exist_? What is the role of dunda3? Is it the same as the one > of > klama2, as suggested by the English preposition "to", or is it the same as > the role of xamgu2, as suggested by the use of the dative in Latin? In > other > words, is it like the destination of a movement or the beneficiary of an > act? > > Also, what are the roles of pritu{1,2,3}? I posted this earlier but it didn't appear. Apologies if it appears twice. Yes the roles exist, but I didn't mean to imply any overlap between them. That's why I said previously that a more complete set of morphemes would be required if you wanted to speficy them explicity. So the English concept "to" would be broken down into multiple morphemes, each of which expressing one of the concepts expressed by the English "to". (I'm referring to English only as an example. Of course, the actual morphemes required would reflect the possible concepts which could be expressed within the environment, rather than within other languages.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/6GsBDEQ0rd0J. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_111_26299202.1350210955587 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Saturday, 13 October 2012 20:44:17 UTC+1, .asiz. wrote:=20
The roles _exist_? What is the rol= e of dunda3? Is it the same as the one of
klama2, as suggested by the E= nglish preposition "to", or is it the same as
the role of xamgu2, as su= ggested by the use of the dative in Latin? In other
words, is it like t= he destination of a movement or the beneficiary of an act?

Also, wh= at are the roles of pritu{1,2,3}?
 
I posted this earlier but it didn't appear. Apologies if it appears tw= ice.
 
Yes the roles exist, but I didn't mean to imply any overlap between th= em. That's why I said previously that a more complete set of morphemes woul= d be required if you wanted to speficy them explicity. So the English conce= pt "to" would be broken down into multiple morphemes, each of which express= ing one of the concepts expressed by the English "to". (I'm referring to En= glish only as an example. Of course, the actual morphemes required would re= flect the possible concepts which could be expressed within the environment= , rather than within other languages.)

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/l= ojban-beginners/-/6GsBDEQ0rd0J.
=20 To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.
------=_Part_111_26299202.1350210955587--