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On Sunday, 14 October 2012 23:23:51 UTC+1, tsani wrote:
>
> On 14 October 2012 14:47, mashers <ma...@mashley.net <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>>  
>>
> So you could do { la jbovlaste ciksi zo tamgau fo zoi by. g1 defines t2 
>> into form t1 .by. }
>>
>
> Yes. (you missed a terminator before {ciksi} however)
>

{ cu } ?
 

> I'd probably use la'e before the zoi, too, but I'm not sure if a quote in 
> itself constitutes an explanation.
>

I don't understand the definition of la'e according to the jbovlaste. Would 
you mind explaining it for me please?
 

>  {by} is indeed the letter 'b'. zoi-quotes function by taking a 
> user-decided delimiter after the word {zoi} itself. After the delimiter, 
> you put any text you like, so long as it doesn't contain the delimiter, and 
> then end the quote with the delimiter at the end. Formally, the structure 
> is 
> zoi [delim] any-text [delim].
>

Ahh ok, thanks for clarifying.
 

> The delimiter can be any one single lojban word. That includes full gismu, 
> lujvo, zi'evla, cmevla, and cmavo.
>

So you could just as accurately say { zoi klama Hello World klama }, and 
{klama} would be interpreted as the delimiter? Not that I'm saying I would 
actually do that, I'm just working out the boundary of the flexibility in 
choosing a delimiter.
 

>  .u'i Yes, indirect questions in Lojban sure are fun :p 
>

I often don't even understand them in my native language ;)
 

> For example {mi djuno lo du'u makau klama lo zarci} -> "I know who goes to 
> the store." The word {ma} here isn't actually a question, but an indirect 
> question, which must be marked with {kau}. 
>
> Here, the translation is "decide what is the meaning of".
>
> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>

Thanks. I need to take some time to understand that. 

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<br><br>On Sunday, 14 October 2012 23:23:51 UTC+1, tsani  wrote:<blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On 14 October 2012 14:47, mashers <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mai=
lto=3D"CSDuxdxDbvcJ">ma...@mashley.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>&nbsp;</div><div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-lef=
t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>So you could do {=
 la&nbsp;jbovlaste ciksi zo tamgau fo zoi by.&nbsp;<span>g1 defines t2 into=
 form t1 .by. }</span></div>

</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. (you missed a terminator before {ciks=
i} however)</div></div></blockquote><div><br>{ cu } ?<br>&nbsp;</div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left=
: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div>I'd probably use la'e before the zoi, too, but I'm not sure if a q=
uote in itself constitutes an explanation.</div></div></blockquote><div><br=
>I don't understand the definition of la'e according to the jbovlaste. Woul=
d you mind explaining it for me please?<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rg=
b(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">

<div>&nbsp;{by} is indeed the letter 'b'. zoi-quotes function by taking a u=
ser-decided delimiter after the word {zoi} itself. After the delimiter, you=
 put any text you like, so long as it doesn't contain the delimiter, and th=
en end the quote with the delimiter at the end. Formally, the structure is&=
nbsp;</div>

<div>zoi [delim] any-text [delim].</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Ahh ok,=
 thanks for clarifying.<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204)=
; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div></div><div>The delimi=
ter can be any one single lojban word. That includes full gismu, lujvo, zi'=
evla, cmevla, and cmavo.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>So you could just=
 as accurately say { zoi klama Hello World klama }, and {klama} would be in=
terpreted as the delimiter? Not that I'm saying I would actually do that, I=
'm just working out the boundary of the flexibility in choosing a delimiter=
.<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt=
 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>&nbsp;.u'i Yes, indirect questions in Lojba=
n sure are fun :p&nbsp;</div></div></blockquote><div><br>I often don't even=
 understand them in my native language ;)<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid=
 rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>For example {mi djuno lo du'u=
 makau klama lo zarci} -&gt; "I know who goes to the store." The word {ma} =
here isn't actually a question, but an indirect question, which must be mar=
ked with {kau}.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div><div>Here, the translation is "decide what is the meaning of=
".</div><div><br></div><div>.i mi'e la tsani mu'o</div></blockquote><div><b=
r>Thanks. I need to take some time to understand that. <br></div>

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