Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:63108) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc2XX-0004T3-Lh; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:20:12 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id eh20sf6657939obb.16 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:20:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Gofk3FVvsEC0itsFfOmHqsf+m2PjmlotPgG/cMWKCqU=; b=mdVt4bhhVylM9j3wHJFWgHYCU4QzTZ9GZzoLqcijKAQMaT/BZbOrMcpD8WaNahbG01 25sigGI8bKqVhBNXtgJHlTzzoZtsdSop3SI7Y4z3TPSSImDAU4i9iEOCMRLVoLCnr5bD 8aIJvPKloQCam/+sT6VhlNBhFwGS6cer66KQzkWp2FDl0LqL0Qf2I/1S+jKsJxbjeDMP A3xTHk/9pv/jUVmjePTNeqaGPZrvDN8z6Bv50V1GD+tm/SQmLoZxq0d1QvNRCuKPwoAB s5Pc9wQcNTx3848CivzAv7CFnEBgoIn2FmFwSnxYJmls8Rt4JVONc+2aiB5ej4Tk2l49 t2ug== Received: by 10.49.48.41 with SMTP id i9mr842900qen.36.1353712800066; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:20:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.82.70 with SMTP id g6ls586568qey.33.gmail; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.73.70 with SMTP id j6mr853043qev.4.1353712798993; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:19:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:19:58 -0800 (PST) From: mudri To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Cc: park.annie@asb.gaggle.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jammyatjammy@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_735_2137088.1353712798554" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3562 ------=_Part_735_2137088.1353712798554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe (both called {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names, though it is very common in these. It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various reasons. Matt explained how it only appears between vowels, and is unique in this respect (commas, if I remember correctly, can be used next to syllabic consonants - but that's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no effect on morphology: CVV and CV'V syllables behave identically (other than having different meanings). Finally, it is counted almost literally as half a letter in the lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that acts as half a letter", I suppose someone thought, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a". On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote: > > I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently no h. How is that so, when > the apostrophe is practically the h? > > Sent from my iPod > > *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/-zJpIwnUk9EJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_735_2137088.1353712798554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe (bot= h called {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names, though it= is very common in these.

It is called a "half letter" s= ometimes for various reasons. Matt explained how it only appears between vo= wels, and is unique in this respect (commas, if I remember correctly, can b= e used next to syllabic consonants - but that's unimportant). The apostroph= e also has no effect on morphology: CVV and CV'V syllables behave identical= ly (other than having different meanings). Finally, it is counted almost li= terally as half a letter in the lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that ac= ts as half a letter", I suppose someone thought, "should have 'half' a glyp= h, pe'a".

On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote:I found out that in Lojban, there= 's apparently no h. How is that so, when the apostrophe is practically the = h?

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