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[98.159.200.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g2sm8131628yhj.9.2012.11.23.16.44.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:44:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Question References: <461d8410-7da9-44ca-8714-33965aaf93ca@googlegroups.com> From: Devin Prater X-Mailer: iPod Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2BBDCCF8-84D8-489C-BF2A-AE65AE35FBA1@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:44:38 -0600 To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Original-Sender: r.d.t.prater@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of r.d.t.prater@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=r.d.t.prater@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-27C64C2B-F5DB-4AF9-AD0A-4EC5E10B0F74 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 10102 --Apple-Mail-27C64C2B-F5DB-4AF9-AD0A-4EC5E10B0F74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Um, how could you capitalize an apostrophe? Sent from my iPod with gmail On 23 Nov 2012, at 6:30 PM, Annie wrote: Since it's not really a letter, why would you want to capitalize the apostr= ophe? Sent from my iPod On Nov 23, 2012, at 6:20 PM, mudri wrote: > The curly braces are quotes for Lojban text within text of other language= s. I'm not quite sure why they're used, but it's a kind of standard. >=20 > For upper case apostrophe, I'll give the example of the name of selma'o {= KOhA} (again, braces are "quotes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So, as 'K' = is capital 'k', 'h' is capital apostrophe. >=20 > On Saturday, 24 November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie wrote: >>=20 >> Are you saying that left-brace is sort of a letter? What do you mean by = upper apostrophe, or whatever?=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPod >>=20 >> On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri wrote: >>=20 >>> Just to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe = (both called {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names, thoug= h it is very common in these. >>>=20 >>> It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various reasons. Matt explai= ned how it only appears between vowels, and is unique in this respect (comm= as, if I remember correctly, can be used next to syllabic consonants - but = that's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no effect on morphology: CVV a= nd CV'V syllables behave identically (other than having different meanings)= . Finally, it is counted almost literally as half a letter in the lujvo sco= ring algorithm. "Something that acts as half a letter", I suppose someone t= hought, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a". >>>=20 >>> On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently no h. How is that so, w= hen the apostrophe is practically the h?=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Sent from my iPod=20 >>>>=20 >>>> *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ms= g/lojban-beginners/-/-zJpIwnUk9EJ. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginne...@googleg= roups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/= lojban-beginners/-/9XOwVTG6NqEJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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Um, how could you capitalize an ap= ostrophe?

Sent from my iPod with gmail

On 23 Nov 2012,= at 6:30 PM, Annie <park.an= nie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

Since it's not reall= y a letter, why would you want to capitalize the apostrophe?

Sent fr= om my iPod

On Nov 23, 2012, at 6:20 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:
The curly braces are quotes for Lojba= n text within text of other languages. I'm not quite sure why they're used,= but it's a kind of standard.

For upper case apostrophe,= I'll give the example of the name of selma'o {KOhA} (again, braces are "qu= otes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So, as 'K' is capital 'k', 'h' is capit= al apostrophe.

On Saturday, 24 November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie wr= ote:
Are= you saying that left-brace is sort of a letter? What do you mean by upper = apostrophe, or whatever? 

Sent from my iPod
On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri <jammya...@gmail.com> = wrote:

Just to add something, '= h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe (both called {.y'y.}). This = really only ever occurs in selma'o names, though it is very common in these= .

It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various rea= sons. Matt explained how it only appears between vowels, and is unique in t= his respect (commas, if I remember correctly, can be used next to syllabic = consonants - but that's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no effect on = morphology: CVV and CV'V syllables behave identically (other than having di= fferent meanings). Finally, it is counted almost literally as half a letter= in the lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that acts as half a letter", I = suppose someone thought, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a".

On Sund= ay, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote:
I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently no h. How is th= at so, when the apostrophe is practically the h?

Sent from my iPod

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