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[208.81.237.188]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id i63si545606yhk.5.2012.11.23.16.50.33; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of park.annie@asb.gaggle.net designates 208.81.237.188 as permitted sender) client-ip=208.81.237.188; Received: (qmail 5459 invoked by uid 358); 24 Nov 2012 00:50:31 -0000 Received: from [10.0.32.2] (HELO mx8.gaggle.net) (10.0.32.2) by mx8.gaggle.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:50:31 -0800 Received: from [98.81.86.234] (HELO [10.0.1.6]) (98.81.86.234) (smtp-auth username Park.Annie@asb.gaggle.net, mechanism plain) by mx8.gaggle.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:50:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Question References: <461d8410-7da9-44ca-8714-33965aaf93ca@googlegroups.com> <2BBDCCF8-84D8-489C-BF2A-AE65AE35FBA1@gmail.com> From: Annie X-Mailer: iPod Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: <2BBDCCF8-84D8-489C-BF2A-AE65AE35FBA1@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:50:22 -0600 To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on mx8.gaggle.net X-GOMS-Validated-Recipients: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Gaggle-Info: *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. X-Gaggle-Sender-Ref-ID: 4ba428aeedef92d11b7bf6614c3293f8f434b980f3ac64c0b2ef9a901e760b5b62d5e011c4c1dd500e9a6d994c676b82abbe4f81370bfcd5781f957816d3137f X-Gaggle-APS-Scores: false -9.0 0 0 2 https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsg%2Flojban-beginners%2F-%2F-zJpIwnUk9EJ null X-Gaggle-Ref-ID: 4ba428aeedef92d197728b347c540eb0c2bbd309725fff42 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on mx8.gaggle.net X-Original-Sender: park.annie@asb.gaggle.net X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of park.annie@asb.gaggle.net designates 208.81.237.188 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=park.annie@asb.gaggle.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_63690_20912656.1353718230298" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 12315 ------=_Part_63690_20912656.1353718230298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, it looks like, so far, you just right an h, but I don't get it either= . I've asked the same question. Sent from my iPod On Nov 23, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.pr= ater@gmail.com> wrote: Um, how could you capitalize an apostrophe? Sent from my iPod with gmail On 23 Nov 2012, at 6:30 PM, Annie <park.annie@as= b.gaggle.net> wrote: Since it's not really a letter, why would you want to capitalize the apostr= ophe? Sent from my iPod On Nov 23, 2012, at 6:20 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gm= ail.com> wrote: The curly braces are quotes for Lojban text within text of other languages.= I'm not quite sure why they're used, but it's a kind of standard. For upper case apostrophe, I'll give the example of the name of selma'o {KO= hA} (again, braces are "quotes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So, as 'K' is= capital 'k', 'h' is capital apostrophe. On Saturday, 24 November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie wrote: Are you saying that left-brace is sort of a letter? What do you mean by upp= er apostrophe, or whatever? Sent from my iPod On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri <<>jammya...@gmail.com> wrote: Just to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe (bot= h called {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names, though it= is very common in these. It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various reasons. Matt explained = how it only appears between vowels, and is unique in this respect (commas, = if I remember correctly, can be used next to syllabic consonants - but that= 's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no effect on morphology: CVV and C= V'V syllables behave identically (other than having different meanings). Fi= nally, it is counted almost literally as half a letter in the lujvo scoring= algorithm. "Something that acts as half a letter", I suppose someone thoug= ht, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a". On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote: I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently no h. 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Well, it looks like, so far, you j= ust right an h, but I don't get it either. I've asked the same question.
Sent from my iPod

On Nov 23, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Devin Pra= ter <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com> wrote:

Since it's not really a letter, why would you want to capitalize the apost= rophe?

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 23, 2012, at 6:20 PM, = mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

The curly braces= are quotes for Lojban text within text of other languages. I'm not quite s= ure why they're used, but it's a kind of standard.

For u= pper case apostrophe, I'll give the example of the name of selma'o {KOhA} (= again, braces are "quotes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So, as 'K' is capi= tal 'k', 'h' is capital apostrophe.

On Saturday, 24 November 2012 00= :14:36 UTC, Annie wrote:
Are you saying that left-brace is sort of a letter? What = do you mean by upper apostrophe, or whatever? 

Sent from= my iPod
Jus= t to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe (both c= alled {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names, though it is= very common in these.

It is called a "half letter" some= times for various reasons. Matt explained how it only appears between vowel= s, and is unique in this respect (commas, if I remember correctly, can be u= sed next to syllabic consonants - but that's unimportant). The apostrophe a= lso has no effect on morphology: CVV and CV'V syllables behave identically = (other than having different meanings). Finally, it is counted almost liter= ally as half a letter in the lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that acts = as half a letter", I suppose someone thought, "should have 'half' a glyph, = pe'a".

On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote:I found out that in Lojban, there's appar= ently no h. How is that so, when the apostrophe is practically the h?

Sent from my iPod

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