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<461d8410-7da9-44ca-8714-33965aaf93ca@googlegroups.com> <2BBDCCF8-84D8-489C-BF2A-AE65AE35FBA1@gmail.com> <50B01EE7.6040307@plasmatix.com> From: Annie X-Mailer: iPod Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: <50B01EE7.6040307@plasmatix.com> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:28:46 -0600 To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-GOMS-Validated-Recipients: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Gaggle-Info: *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. X-Gaggle-Sender-Ref-ID: 4ba428aeedef92d105cbf74a7b9ec463f1a5d17b930ad70576b0181a8612629fe658aece8328c23d540c51f3ad7a1b4eabbe4f81370bfcd5781f957816d3137f X-Gaggle-APS-Scores: false -9.0 0 0 2 http://groups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Flojban-beginners%3Fhl%3Den. null X-Gaggle-Ref-ID: 4ba428aeedef92d19fb20fb65f02f64acb85ebc3e0ffe67d X-Original-Sender: park.annie@asb.gaggle.net X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of park.annie@asb.gaggle.net designates 208.81.237.183 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=park.annie@asb.gaggle.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2712 I'm confused. Apostrophe is a letter? Sent from my iPod On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:12 PM, selpa'i wrote: > There seems to be some confusion here about the apostrophe and capital le= tters in Lojban. >=20 > Lojban does not use capital letters unless when you wish to mark a stress= ed syllable, which is are written using capital letters. It's also legal to= only capitalize the vowel of that syllable. >=20 > For example, dunda might be written DUNda or dUnda, but this is not requi= red. (There are also some other systems in use, like placing accents above = the vowel instead) >=20 > Secondly, we've established already that instead of an h, Lojban uses the= apostrophe for reasons that have been given already. When writing parsers = for Lojban, in the program/code, you need to use names internally that don'= t interfere with the syntax of the programming language. Usually, apostroph= es can't be used, so in this case, and really only in this case, the apostr= ophe is replaced by an actual h. You will never see this is actual Lojban t= ext, so you don't even need to worry about it. >=20 > h is the capitalized version of ' simply because ' denotes an h sound, an= d so "h" is the most obvious choice for a capital version of this letter. >=20 > "mi'e la selpa'i" would be capitalized as "MIhE LA SELPAhI", in theory, b= ut again, this is not something that you need to do. It's just simply a fac= t that ' and h are the lower and upper case versions of the same letter. Ma= ny also prefer to keep the apostrophe even in words that are entirely capit= alized: "MI'E LA SELPA'I". >=20 > mi'e la selpa'i mu'o >=20 > --=20 > do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u > .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u > ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu > .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi > gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi > .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku >=20 >=20 > . >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.