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On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm wondering whether I'm pronouncing Lojban's 'a' too high, and I can't
> find a comparison of [=E6] and [a] anywhere. It was mentioned somewhere e=
lse
> that Lojbanising the vowel of "hat" is difficult/obfuscating. However, I
> find it easy to interpret a Lojban 'a' as a plain English 'a' (as in,
> recognising {la .kamryn.} is easy, but {la .nikylys.} isn't).
>
> Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that the 'a' soun=
d
> is probably typical of northern England.
>

I assume =E6 is the sound of the "a" in hat, yes? I'm not sure what you mea=
n
by a Plain English 'a'", since an English 'a' has at least three different
pronunciations even without accounting for accents, but these are some
examples of words that- for me at least- have the same sounding as:

'a': h*o*t, f*a*ther, c*a*ll, d*a*rk, f*a*r, p*a*ll, Ir*a*n (la.iran., not
"I ran")....
"=E6": p*a*t, m*a*th, p*a*l, c*a*p,* *r*a*n....
"A": m*a*te, p*ai*l, r*ay*, d*a*te....

In Lojban, the first and last are zo.a and lu .ai li'u, respectively. The
best way to render =E6 in Lojban I can think of is lu .ae li'u, but that's
not a legal diphthong.

Finally, .ybu isn't usually an "a" in English. It's pronounced exactly the
same as "uh", and its sound is usually found as "u" in English words: p*u*t=
t,
sh*u*t, r*u*dder....

It is of course possible that these example words aren't pronounced the
same by both of us, since I speak U.S.E. and you speak B.C.E., but it's my
hope they are.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, mudri <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:jammyatjammy@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jammyatjammy@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">
I&#39;m wondering whether I&#39;m pronouncing Lojban&#39;s &#39;a&#39; too =
high, and I can&#39;t find a comparison of [=E6] and [a] anywhere. It was m=
entioned somewhere else that Lojbanising the vowel of &quot;hat&quot; is di=
fficult/obfuscating. However, I find it easy to interpret a Lojban &#39;a&#=
39; as a plain English &#39;a&#39; (as in, recognising {la .kamryn.} is eas=
y, but {la .nikylys.} isn&#39;t).<div>
<br></div><div>Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that=
 the &#39;a&#39; sound is probably typical of northern England.</div></bloc=
kquote></div><div><br></div><div>I assume =E6 is the sound of the &quot;a&q=
uot; in hat, yes? I&#39;m not sure what you mean by a Plain English &#39;a&=
#39;&quot;, since an English &#39;a&#39; has at least three different pronu=
nciations even without accounting for accents, but these are some examples =
of words that- for me at least- have the same sounding as:</div>
<div><br></div><div>&#39;a&#39;:=A0h<b>o</b>t, f<b>a</b>ther, c<b>a</b>ll, =
d<b>a</b>rk, f<b>a</b>r, p<b>a</b>ll, Ir<b>a</b>n (la.iran., not &quot;I ra=
n&quot;)....</div><div>&quot;=E6&quot;: p<b>a</b>t, m<b>a</b>th, p<b>a</b>l=
, c<b>a</b>p,<b>=A0</b>r<b>a</b>n....</div>
<div>&quot;A&quot;: m<b>a</b>te, p<b>ai</b>l, r<b>ay</b>, d<b>a</b>te....</=
div><div><br></div><div>In Lojban, the first and last are zo.a and lu .ai l=
i&#39;u, respectively. The best way to render =E6 in Lojban I can think of =
is lu .ae li&#39;u, but that&#39;s not a legal diphthong.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Finally, .ybu isn&#39;t usually an &quot;a&quot; in Eng=
lish. It&#39;s pronounced exactly the same as &quot;uh&quot;, and its sound=
 is usually found as &quot;u&quot; in English words: p<b>u</b>tt, sh<b>u</b=
>t, r<b>u</b>dder....</div>
<div><br></div><div>It is of course possible that these example words aren&=
#39;t pronounced the same by both of us, since I speak U.S.E. and you speak=
 B.C.E., but it&#39;s my hope they are.</div><div><br></div>-- <br>mu&#39;o=
 mi&#39;e .aionys.<br>
<br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&=
#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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