On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:16 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, I made a mistake. Lojban long-a is= {.ei}, not {.ai}. {.ai} is long-i.

On Sa= t, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:= 04 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm wondering whether I'm pronouncing Lojban's 'a' too high, and I can't fi= nd a comparison of [=E6] and [a] anywhere. It was mentioned somewhere else = that Lojbanising the vowel of "hat" is difficult/obfuscating. However, I fi= nd it easy to interpret a Lojban 'a' as a plain English 'a' (as in, recogni= sing {la .kamryn.} is easy, but {la .nikylys.} isn't).

Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that= the 'a' sound is probably typical of northern England.
<= /div>

I assume =E6 is the sound of the "a" in hat,= yes? I'm not sure what you mean by a Plain English 'a'", since an English = 'a' has at least three different pronunciations even without accounting for= accents, but these are some examples of words that- for me at least- have = the same sounding as:

'a': hot, father, call, da= rk, far, pall, Iran (la.iran., not "I ran")....
"=E6": pat, math, pal, cap, ran....

"A": mate, pail, ray, date....
<= br>
In Lojban, the first and last are zo.a and lu .ai li'u, respe= ctively. The best way to render =E6 in Lojban I can think of is lu .ae li'u= , but that's not a legal diphthong.

Finally, .ybu isn't usually an "a" in English. It's pro= nounced exactly the same as "uh", and its sound is usually found as "u" in = English words: putt, shut, rudder....

It is of course possible that these example words aren'= t pronounced the same by both of us, since I speak U.S.E. and you speak B.C= .E., but it's my hope they are.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

-- mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.= luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D = )

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