Received: from mail-ia0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:36208) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TcN2A-00044w-TL; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:13:11 -0800 Received: by mail-ia0-f189.google.com with SMTP id b35sf5449622iac.16 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:13:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding :content-type; bh=sW5ym5pxtxduPRVb4/p4V5ZOz9Frj8B3IBBNXYtrbO8=; b=RjBbFCPzvPvj5SRlcgZaPEbx5k32GVoFPvWm+NEled8BvNONwpM+GIrQuF0P1kAo6f U8HNotKKO++q2iNgMPa1yOhaWi3NRqn1Oj4Me4hpQ7NOe29VWy2ouCM6Txha8kNa72Zc 2W/iJR13cILhQZFo103ZLtdeaEr0MGAbD5ZfL0ifpAf7nAsT+DnbpkiryxEHilJchm1E eOcZVEo/28ir6AiSdQqD4ZwWQvZaPOCORwh71DmDYG3LXB1oWU5qwG+NACM2uC6NWe/N WJYMYjcrBGL3yMRobfV8d+XEWg5l+VYY7iLHEue/yXwRt0q9CO8wTTLxr/pFDGZt34Vq l+Hw== Received: by 10.49.94.143 with SMTP id dc15mr1407828qeb.32.1353791579848; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:12:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.4.67 with SMTP id i3ls1015628qei.1.gmail; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.85.51 with SMTP id t39mr4854681yhe.15.1353791579470; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.85.51 with SMTP id t39mr4854680yhe.15.1353791579459; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i27si714729yhe.4.2012.11.24.13.12.59; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070631436 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:12:59 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtsb2piYW4tYmVnaW5uZXJzXSBbYV0gdnMgW+Zd?= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3604207.nC4qoEEGkm@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-32-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <6e229b6d-a250-401b-b5f3-608a9c43a41a@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1020 On Saturday, November 24, 2012 02:18:07 Jonathan Jones wrote: > If you ever took Latin, or possibly any of the Romance languages, the > vowels possibly excepting .ybu are pronounced exactly the same as in that > language. Spanish, yes. Portuguese has two 'o' sounds and two 'e' sounds which Lojban= =20 does not distinguish (e.g. 'Cair no po=E7o n=E3o posso' =3D es 'Caer en el = pozo no=20 puedo'). Italian has two 'e' sounds and two 'o' sounds. In French the Lojba= n=20 'u' sound is written 'ou', 'e' often reduces to schwa, and there are plenty= of=20 other spellings that don't match sounds. Pierre --=20 li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.