I hope someone does post the link to get ther= e. Can I use my Refresherbraille?a

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O= n Nov 24, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com> wrote:

Annie, I'll get to that, hopefully, LOL. Maybe someon= e can post the link to the Lessons, the introduction to Lojban, that is. It= is on the Internet, and is accessible with Voiceover.

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On 24 Nov 2012, at 2:16 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wro= te:

That's what everyone is saying. By the way, if you= wanted to write the punctuation left-brace in braille? Also, you still hav= en't sent me any notes from any of our Lojban textbooks. Remember, you and = this group are my only sources for Lojban, because of technical difficultie= s.

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On Nov 24, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Devi= n Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.c= om> wrote:

The braces= are there, I believe, to distinguish Lojban text from English in multiling= ual emails/messages.

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On 2= 4 Nov 2012, at 1:22 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

How can q= uotes be letters, mimilarity symbols, and probably a bunch of other thingsh= is Besides, do you mean the word "left-brace", or the punctuation? Is "left= -brace" Lojban because it doesn't look like it. If it is, how do you pronou= nce it?

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On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:16 AM,= Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

Sorry, I made a = mistake. Lojban long-a is {.ei}, not {.ai}. {.ai} is long-i.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeon= us@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:= 04 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm wondering whether I'm pronouncing Lojban's 'a' too high, and I can't fi= nd a comparison of [=E6] and [a] anywhere. It was mentioned somewhere else = that Lojbanising the vowel of "hat" is difficult/obfuscating. However, I fi= nd it easy to interpret a Lojban 'a' as a plain English 'a' (as in, recogni= sing {la .kamryn.} is easy, but {la .nikylys.} isn't).

Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that= the 'a' sound is probably typical of northern England.
<= /div>

I assume =E6 is the sound of the "a" in hat,= yes? I'm not sure what you mean by a Plain English 'a'", since an English = 'a' has at least three different pronunciations even without accounting for= accents, but these are some examples of words that- for me at least- have = the same sounding as:

'a': hot, father, call, da= rk, far, pall, Iran (la.iran., not "I ran")....
"=E6": pat, math, pal, cap, ran....

"A": mate, pail, ray, date....
<= br>
In Lojban, the first and last are zo.a and lu .ai li'u, respe= ctively. The best way to render =E6 in Lojban I can think of is lu .ae li'u= , but that's not a legal diphthong.

Finally, .ybu isn't usually an "a" in English. It's pro= nounced exactly the same as "uh", and its sound is usually found as "u" in = English words: putt, shut, rudder....

It is of course possible that these example words aren'= t pronounced the same by both of us, since I speak U.S.E. and you speak B.C= .E., but it's my hope they are.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

-- mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.= luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D = )

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