Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:37722) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TcNo0-0004Jl-6k; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:37 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o21sf5880270yho.16 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mVBqUYAKFuge0xuPAFRHWA7DZ76aCHdQzuOWxgd+pp0=; b=SUvnu5J/Cg5K2nuzOITzzTRqrbxKebJt9Hr0S14vylwuMjNccqB8kSnp8/1mEPC5Ul AYuiUyC6+9PPc2f0wJnmu6T22xkKSBs+wb2Rm1Pw8jOOtdK8gMF4siwZKypGgE3aUzkr zsD6krn19xcPwD1BHBUKYm2C3ABgXNCQ+nunnA3iulL+mnwxPRX//vIhvTtiGfzJ6Bh5 arcOpD8hii+KjDckD3Y7szEQdcf8+T8UNlBqBQkmLDA03827TNY1cL8qHva5MNcoKtc6 ZUdeGcn3J61WZxPNV8tR7LtlJRODj2cebT+dIRTCoPgCE52EBIyTYZ6XNou1i3vLmYi/ IeZg== Received: by 10.50.236.74 with SMTP id us10mr4465556igc.3.1353794545460; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.41.194 with SMTP id h2ls1680527igl.4.canary; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.89.193 with SMTP id h1mr5071632icm.31.1353794545028; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.89.193 with SMTP id h1mr5071631icm.31.1353794545008; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uk11si969396igb.2.2012.11.24.14.02.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.49; Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id l10so11449296oag.8 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.235.46 with SMTP id uj14mr5857118obc.40.1353794544626; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.94.71 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:02:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9D4F751F-E735-42FA-BF7B-CF06B7EF1511@asb.gaggle.net> References: <1aeeea0e-aea5-4faa-9036-bea624f165b4@googlegroups.com> <9D4F751F-E735-42FA-BF7B-CF06B7EF1511@asb.gaggle.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:02:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: memrise simplified gismu {dukse} vs {zmadu} definition From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b6024ee6dea04cf44da89 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 10708 --14dae93b6024ee6dea04cf44da89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Annie wrote: > How can braces mean "similar"? > Braces { } have no meaning. They only serve to quote Lojban text when typing in a non-Lojban language. You've misread these messages. > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:25 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:11 PM, mudri wrote: > >> Can I add something? I notice that {jibni} has been given a simplified >> translation that reads something like "similar, close in properties". For a >> while, I guessed at {simsa}, since it seems to fit that translation >> remarkably well (better, if I've not misunderstood). In fact, what is the >> difference between these two? > > > The full definitions are almost exactly the same, too, which is why my > simplied definition (the ones used in Memrise) are so close. The words are > almost exactly the same in meaning. > > From the notes (in simsa), I'd say that two Golden Delicious apples can be > both simsa and jibni, a picture (or painting) is simsa (assuming it's of > something that exists in real life, like a landscape or still life), and a > length of string which is .01 cm shorter than another string is jibni. > > On Tuesday, 14 August 2012 12:40:40 UTC+1, kamisori wrote: >> >>> Hello, i have quite alot trouble keeping those two apart. >>> I propose to change {zmadu}s definition to "x1 is more than or exceeds >>> x2 in x3 by amount x4" hereby it would be easier to memorise its meaning, >>> because to me the similarity of "x1 exceeds or is more than x2 in x3 by >>> amount x4" to "x1 is an excess of x2 by standard x3" is hindering my >>> learning effort. >>> >>> What do you guys think? >>> >>> .u'i On the other hand, of course i could simply try to read the >>> definition more carefully, but due to the timers i always feel like i'm in >>> a hurry... >>> >>> mlatu >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/tCQu1VenSFwJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
How can braces mean "similar"?

Braces { } have no meaning. They only serve to qu= ote Lojban text when typing in a non-Lojban language. You've misread th= ese messages.
=A0
Sent from my= iPod

On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:25 AM, Jon= athan Jones <eyeo= nus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:11 PM, m= udri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:
Can I add something? I notice that {jibni} has been given a simplified tran= slation that reads something like "similar, close in properties".= For a while, I guessed at {simsa}, since it seems to fit that translation = remarkably well (better, if I've not misunderstood). In fact, what is t= he difference between these two?

The full definitions are almost exactly the same, too, = which is why my simplied definition (the ones used in Memrise) are so close= . The words are almost exactly the same in meaning.

From the notes (in simsa), I'd say that two Golden Delicious apple= s can be both simsa and jibni, a picture (or painting) is simsa (assuming i= t's of something that exists in real life, like a landscape or still li= fe), and a length of string which is .01 cm shorter than another string is = jibni.

On Tuesday, 14 August 20= 12 12:40:40 UTC+1, kamisori wrote:
Hello, i have quite alot trouble keeping those two apart.
I propose to = change {zmadu}s definition to "x1 is more than or exceeds x2 in x3 by = amount x4" hereby it would be easier to memorise its meaning, because = to me the similarity of "x1 exceeds or is more than x2 in x3 by amount= x4" to=A0"x1 is an excess of x2 by standard x3" is hinderin= g my learning effort.

What do you guys think?

.u'= ;i On the other hand, of course i could simply try to read the definition m= ore carefully, but due to the timers i always feel like i'm in a hurry.= ..

mlatu

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