On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com> wrote:

What's a selma'o? I saw that in the Lojban d= ictionary app on my iPod.

A selma'o is= a group of cmavo that have the same grammatical use. The word "selma&= #39;o" is a lujvo made from the rafsi for the words {se} (sel) and {cm= avo} (ma'o). The Lojban definition of cmavo is "x₁ is a= structure word of grammatical class x₂, with meaning/function x= ₃ in usage (language) x₄.", the {se} switches th= e x₁ and x₂, making the definition of selma'o &qu= ot;x₁ is a grammatical class of structure word x₂, wi= th meaning/function x₃ in usage (language) x₄."<= br>
For example, all cmavo in UI are "free modifiers" that can be= found anywhere in a Lojban bridi (except in the middle of another word) an= d "attach" themselves to the immediately preceding word:

{.i.ia mi.io nelci.ui lo plise.ua}

Which= means, "I like apples.", and also says that I respect myself, am= happy about liking, am discovering apples, and believe the statement.

Note: the words in bold are only bold to show which words= are of selma'o UI. Lojban does not use boldface.

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On 24 Nov 2012, at 2:12 PM, Annie <= ;park.annie@= asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

How can I know if a name is a selma'o name or not? = I hope I spelled that correctly.

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On = Nov 24, 2012, at 1:29 PM, James Wood <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

I assume you are talking about how= "KOhA" shouldn't be in braces (the mistake I made). The prob= lem is that the text inside the braces should be in Lojban. However, those = capitalised selma'o names are not part of correct Lojban. They are used= when talking about Lojban in a language other than Lojban. It's a simp= le rule, but I fear that it's been made to seem more complicated than i= t is.

On 24 November 2012 19:12, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

If braces are quotes, then what is so complicating a= bout their use?

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On Nov 24,= 2012, at 3:30 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:20 PM, m= udri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

The curly braces are quotes for Lojban text within text of other languages.= I'm not quite sure why they're used, but it's a kind of standa= rd.

I'm pretty sure it came about as a = means of signalling that the enclosed text was in Lojban. There are some wo= rds, like {santa}, for instance, that are also words in English, and I'= d bet other languages too, so "santa" isn't as clearly the Lo= jban word as {santa} is. As to why '{ }' in the first place, my gue= ss is is that it's because '( )', '[ ]', and '< = >' either already have a different use in English or doesn't loo= k as 'cool'. (santa) [santa] <santa> {santa}.

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For upper case apostrophe= , I'll give the example of the name of selma'o {KOhA} (again, brace= s are "quotes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So, as 'K= 9; is capital 'k', 'h' is capital apostrophe.

On Saturday, 24 November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie wrote:=

Are you saying that left-brace is sort of a letter? What do you mean b= y upper apostrophe, or whatever?=A0

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On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri <jammya...@gmail= .com> wrote:

Just to add something, = 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe (both called {.y= 9;y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names, though it is ver= y common in these.

It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various= reasons. Matt explained how it only appears between vowels, and is unique = in this respect (commas, if I remember correctly, can be used next to sylla= bic consonants - but that's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no ef= fect on morphology: CVV and CV'V syllables behave identically (other th= an having different meanings). Finally, it is counted almost literally as h= alf a letter in the lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that acts as h= alf a letter", I suppose someone thought, "should have 'half&= #39; a glyph, pe'a".

On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote:
I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently = no h. How is that so, when the apostrophe is practically the h?

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