BTW, here's a= useful table, if you know IPA: http://en.wik= ipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet_chart_for_English_dialects<= /a>.

On Saturday, 24 November 2012 22:09:33 UTC, aionys wrote:

On Sat, = Nov 24, 2012 at 7:08 AM, mudri <jammya...@gmail.= com> wrote:

I learnt Spanish in school, but I don't know whether I was pronouncing the = vowels exactly. As for your examples, the 'a' line seems like a random jumb= le of open-back-ish sounds, with "Iran" fitting on the '=C3=A6' line (basic= ally [=C9=AA] + "ran"). Our accents are too different to compare.

"Iran" has two pronunciations, the "correct" one, wherein the i an= d a are both short (, fit, pall)), and the English screw-up, = in which it sounds like you're saying "I ran (a marathon)".

I've just rememb= ered about a video I made a couple of months ago: h= ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCOnrPtFkuxc&feature=3Dplcp. I think I've got better since that, but my 'a' sound is basically the sa= me.

On Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:18:08 AM UTC, aionys wrote:<= /div>
If you ever took Latin, o= r possibly any of the Romance languages, the vowels possibly excepting .ybu= are pronounced exactly the same as in that language.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:16 AM, = Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wro= te:

Sorry, I made a mistake. Lojban l= ong-a is {.ei}, not {.ai}. {.ai} is long-i.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones = <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, mudri = <jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm wondering whether I'm pronouncing Lojban's 'a' too high, and I can't fi= nd a comparison of [=C3=A6] and [a] anywhere. It was mentioned somewhere el= se that Lojbanising the vowel of "hat" is difficult/obfuscating. However, I= find it easy to interpret a Lojban 'a' as a plain English 'a' (as in, reco= gnising {la .kamryn.} is easy, but {la .nikylys.} isn't).

Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that= the 'a' sound is probably typical of northern England.
<= /div>

I assume =C3=A6 is the sound of the "a" in h= at, yes? I'm not sure what you mean by a Plain English 'a'", since an Engli= sh 'a' has at least three different pronunciations even without accounting = for accents, but these are some examples of words that- for me at least- ha= ve the same sounding as:

'a': hot, father, call, da= rk, far, pall, Iran (la.iran., not "I ran")....
"=C3=A6": pat, math, pal, cap, = ran....

"A": mate, pail, ray, date....
<= br>
In Lojban, the first and last are zo.a and lu .ai li'u, respe= ctively. The best way to render =C3=A6 in Lojban I can think of is lu .ae l= i'u, but that's not a legal diphthong.

Finally, .ybu isn't usually an "a" in English. It's pro= nounced exactly the same as "uh", and its sound is usually found as "u" in = English words: putt, shut, rudder....

It is of course possible that these example words aren'= t pronounced the same by both of us, since I speak U.S.E. and you speak B.C= .E., but it's my hope they are.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa= bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your = father. :D )

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa b= u .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your fa= ther. :D )

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(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )