Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:34552) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TcPNl-0004xE-18; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:37 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o21sf5901883yho.16 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xHZct4kph71NNjgVVv4dDk5Wu8QgHa0oDs8lf7gH+TU=; b=r8xz93anG+7I0sPwSdHiSq7hkqmtQ2hXsImHi3+InuSsJ70PDG41kBmqRB2fMjGamO WEiQZzcA1mklH7fBDxN/iBoEb44gnjtEJkx/IBzztZSZXojl4c7QN/RA1y0REtrsj31z cm7+oamkTddcESCeztnnQ2yk+LrGPdulJQv27jgrhjUOtUl9vmElQFC1ecXrHlkDrno4 ZFNOVR6BQqAB79VVZT2IbfZrYmr9VoofB7PziE9SHovn3t7E+pjHDLZdKdbM58PxPNWO tzFzUdEirPj5ddMZheYTiy5cKutPVsJBPjiedUac5sE+8jQbadov+nJGvSOxpH1zf2Kc I3oA== Received: by 10.50.108.200 with SMTP id hm8mr3609646igb.10.1353800606350; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.45.133 with SMTP id n5ls1672709igm.27.gmail; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.33.180 with SMTP id s20mr8431218igi.5.1353800605944; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.33.180 with SMTP id s20mr8431217igi.5.1353800605921; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x4si1092073igm.0.2012.11.24.15.43.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id eh20so9636882obb.36 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.28.36 with SMTP id y4mr6183300oeg.13.1353800605566; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.94.71 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <952E50A5-18E6-40DB-8E9B-3D2EA602B050@asb.gaggle.net> References: <1aeeea0e-aea5-4faa-9036-bea624f165b4@googlegroups.com> <9D4F751F-E735-42FA-BF7B-CF06B7EF1511@asb.gaggle.net> <952E50A5-18E6-40DB-8E9B-3D2EA602B050@asb.gaggle.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:43:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: memrise simplified gismu {dukse} vs {zmadu} definition From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f5563105fa04cf4644cf X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 15028 --e89a8fb1f5563105fa04cf4644cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Annie wrote: > Yes I have. Can you help me understand them better? > Just re-read the messages, and this time pay attention to what's *inside*the braces, since that is what's being talked about, not the braces themselves, which are just there to say "the stuff inside these braces are Lojban". > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Annie wrote: > >> How can braces mean "similar"? >> > > Braces { } have no meaning. They only serve to quote Lojban text when > typing in a non-Lojban language. You've misread these messages. > > >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:25 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:11 PM, mudri wrote: >> >>> Can I add something? I notice that {jibni} has been given a simplified >>> translation that reads something like "similar, close in properties". For a >>> while, I guessed at {simsa}, since it seems to fit that translation >>> remarkably well (better, if I've not misunderstood). In fact, what is the >>> difference between these two? >> >> >> The full definitions are almost exactly the same, too, which is why my >> simplied definition (the ones used in Memrise) are so close. The words are >> almost exactly the same in meaning. >> >> From the notes (in simsa), I'd say that two Golden Delicious apples can >> be both simsa and jibni, a picture (or painting) is simsa (assuming it's of >> something that exists in real life, like a landscape or still life), and a >> length of string which is .01 cm shorter than another string is jibni. >> >> On Tuesday, 14 August 2012 12:40:40 UTC+1, kamisori wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, i have quite alot trouble keeping those two apart. >>>> I propose to change {zmadu}s definition to "x1 is more than or exceeds >>>> x2 in x3 by amount x4" hereby it would be easier to memorise its meaning, >>>> because to me the similarity of "x1 exceeds or is more than x2 in x3 by >>>> amount x4" to "x1 is an excess of x2 by standard x3" is hindering my >>>> learning effort. >>>> >>>> What do you guys think? >>>> >>>> .u'i On the other hand, of course i could simply try to read the >>>> definition more carefully, but due to the timers i always feel like i'm in >>>> a hurry... >>>> >>>> mlatu >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/tCQu1VenSFwJ. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
Yes I have. Can you help me understand them better?<= br>

Just re-read the messages, and this ti= me pay attention to what's inside the braces, since that is what= 's being talked about, not the braces themselves, which are just there = to say "the stuff inside these braces are Lojban".
=A0
Sent from my= iPod

On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Jon= athan Jones <eyeo= nus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat,= Nov 24, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>= ; wrote:
How can braces mean "similar"?

Braces { } have no meaning. They only serve to qu= ote Lojban text when typing in a non-Lojban language. You've misread th= ese messages.
=A0
Sent from my= iPod

On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:25 AM, Jonathan Jones &= lt;eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:11 PM, m= udri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:
Can I add something? I notice that {jibni} has been given a simplified tran= slation that reads something like "similar, close in properties".= For a while, I guessed at {simsa}, since it seems to fit that translation = remarkably well (better, if I've not misunderstood). In fact, what is t= he difference between these two?

The full definitions are almost exactly the same, too, = which is why my simplied definition (the ones used in Memrise) are so close= . The words are almost exactly the same in meaning.

From the notes (in simsa), I'd say that two Golden Delicious apple= s can be both simsa and jibni, a picture (or painting) is simsa (assuming i= t's of something that exists in real life, like a landscape or still li= fe), and a length of string which is .01 cm shorter than another string is = jibni.

On Tuesday, 14 August 20= 12 12:40:40 UTC+1, kamisori wrote:
Hello, i have quite alot trouble keeping those two apart.
I propose to = change {zmadu}s definition to "x1 is more than or exceeds x2 in x3 by = amount x4" hereby it would be easier to memorise its meaning, because = to me the similarity of "x1 exceeds or is more than x2 in x3 by amount= x4" to=A0"x1 is an excess of x2 by standard x3" is hinderin= g my learning effort.

What do you guys think?

.u'= ;i On the other hand, of course i could simply try to read the definition m= ore carefully, but due to the timers i always feel like i'm in a hurry.= ..

mlatu

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