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As I see it, {so'a} and {piso'a} return multiple individuals and a single=
=20
part of some whole, respectively. For example:
{so'a lo tarci} =3D almost all of the stars (with each star being considere=
d=20
individually)
{piso'a loi tarci} =3D almost all of the mass of all stars (all considered =
as=20
a mass)

On {so'e} and {so'a} being inconsistent with the rest of the series, I kind=
=20
of agree. They both make reference to some whole, whereas the other three=
=20
don't. They all, however, are supposed to be relative, which may mean that=
=20
all 5 refer to some implicit whole. I don't know.

On Saturday, 24 November 2012 21:53:17 UTC, ianek wrote:
>
> It isn't infinite, but I used {ci'i} as a hyperbole. Maybe {so'iso'i}=20
> or something would be good, but it doesn't sound very serious. BTW,=20
> {so'e} and {so'a} are defined as 'most' and 'almost all', but it=20
> doesn't make much sense since 1. they fit in the {so'V} sequence of=20
> imprecise numerals and the other three do not refer to being a part of=20
> something, 2. there are compounds {piso'e} and {piso'a} and they mean=20
> 'most of' and 'almost all of', which for me is the same.=20
>
> What I mean is: the sequence is decrementing imprecise numerals:=20
> {so'a}, {so'e}, {so'i}, {so'o}, {so'u}. But if translated according to=20
> definitions in jbovlaste, they don't work like that: "many stars" may=20
> mean arbitrarily many stars, while "most stars" would mean that=20
> there's some set of stars and we're talking about a majority of them.=20
> Completely other thing. And if we want to say that, we might as well=20
> use {piso'e}: "most of the stars" and it would mean the same. So, as=20
> for me, {so'e} and {so'a}, as defined in jbovlaste, are inconsistent=20
> with the rest of this series.=20
>
> I may be, and probably am very wrong about all this, but there goes my=20
> rant. I'd like to be able to use {so'e tarci} for 'lots of stars' and=20
> {so'a tarci} for 'uncountable stars'. Only that I'm not sure why=20
> "decimal point lots" would then mean "most", ie. more than half. Oh=20
> well.=20
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek=20
>
> On 24 Lis, 22:12, Pierre Abbat <p...@bezitopo.org> wrote:=20
> > On Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:26:33 ianek wrote:=20
> > > I'd try to translate it as {ci'i tarci pu carmi bu'u lo tsani}, but I=
=20
> > > may be very wrong. There's no simple word for twinkle, flicker or=20
> > > blink.=20
> >=20
> > I'd say {kliniota} for "blink", but that probably wouldn't be understoo=
d=20
> by a=20
> > non-French-speaker. A possible word for "twinkle" is {camdesku}.=20
> >=20
> > The number of stars isn't infinite, it's just too many for humans to=20
> count. You=20
> > could say {ni'e bacterkancu}, but that's a bit long.=20
> >=20
> > Pierre=20
> > --=20
> > When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.=20
> > J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.=20
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As I see it, {so'a} and {piso'a} return multiple individuals and a single p=
art of some whole, respectively. For example:<div>{so'a lo tarci} =3D almos=
t all of the stars (with each star being considered individually)</div><div=
>{piso'a loi tarci} =3D almost all of the mass of all stars (all considered=
 as a mass)</div><div><br></div><div>On {so'e} and {so'a} being inconsisten=
t with the rest of the series, I kind of agree. They both make reference to=
 some whole, whereas the other three don't. They all, however, are supposed=
 to be relative, which may mean that all 5 refer to some implicit whole. I =
don't know.<br><br>On Saturday, 24 November 2012 21:53:17 UTC, ianek  wrote=
:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">It isn't infinite, but I used=
 {ci'i} as a hyperbole. Maybe {so'iso'i}
<br>or something would be good, but it doesn't sound very serious. BTW,
<br>{so'e} and {so'a} are defined as 'most' and 'almost all', but it
<br>doesn't make much sense since 1. they fit in the {so'V} sequence of
<br>imprecise numerals and the other three do not refer to being a part of
<br>something, 2. there are compounds {piso'e} and {piso'a} and they mean
<br>'most of' and 'almost all of', which for me is the same.
<br>
<br>What I mean is: the sequence is decrementing imprecise numerals:
<br>{so'a}, {so'e}, {so'i}, {so'o}, {so'u}. But if translated according to
<br>definitions in jbovlaste, they don't work like that: "many stars" may
<br>mean arbitrarily many stars, while "most stars" would mean that
<br>there's some set of stars and we're talking about a majority of them.
<br>Completely other thing. And if we want to say that, we might as well
<br>use {piso'e}: "most of the stars" and it would mean the same. So, as
<br>for me, {so'e} and {so'a}, as defined in jbovlaste, are inconsistent
<br>with the rest of this series.
<br>
<br>I may be, and probably am very wrong about all this, but there goes my
<br>rant. I'd like to be able to use {so'e tarci} for 'lots of stars' and
<br>{so'a tarci} for 'uncountable stars'. Only that I'm not sure why
<br>"decimal point lots" would then mean "most", ie. more than half. Oh
<br>well.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e ianek
<br>
<br>On 24 Lis, 22:12, Pierre Abbat &lt;<a>p...@bezitopo.org</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; On Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:26:33 ianek wrote:
<br>&gt; &gt; I'd try to translate it as {ci'i tarci pu carmi bu'u lo tsani=
}, but I
<br>&gt; &gt; may be very wrong. There's no simple word for twinkle, flicke=
r or
<br>&gt; &gt; blink.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I'd say {kliniota} for "blink", but that probably wouldn't be unde=
rstood by a
<br>&gt; non-French-speaker. A possible word for "twinkle" is {camdesku}.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; The number of stars isn't infinite, it's just too many for humans =
to count. You
<br>&gt; could say {ni'e bacterkancu}, but that's a bit long.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Pierre
<br>&gt; --
<br>&gt; When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
<br>&gt; J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.
<br></blockquote></div>

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