Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:42939) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TcQca-0005YY-AR; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:03:00 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id wz12sf7386382pbc.16 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:02:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding :content-type; bh=Cp0Nv3YaIAYLiO+jBcDjNXbRDuBsaYaDmDZFQA5PbPU=; b=K0DpcG4K1aBaguYgEQEkHlGkJkRl1eh0AKuIryCmYgt9LhxnUapzECd0qJ4+p4skxt BZAQ/9lvv3jofXiLw2KSMXDIIJnYRlg4xeLZj6h8AMSUCFVFGNFTHgJZcUTc9Fh3Kf6n O+XIg4Xkni35f0bavsbSw3fXglyY8mBrM19A/zOWePH6Vv8Xvk6NNLGgk38m4goHp5HD 8CRzX7cqMAU76xWHS7Gj5D0ASr+9wn+PH/Po+WQX4VT6E9ySKpMEPquTS3UiLISrlZtn gKmdR7DhLwReGkKWQmVhOsnLS+c0OckQSL0EEfuc7i1TxoIk71e6nlKYRzPSzrn+3Cl2 LYZw== Received: by 10.49.75.195 with SMTP id e3mr1254648qew.24.1353805369458; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:02:49 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.37.105 with SMTP id x9ls990046qej.56.gmail; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.233.36 with SMTP id f36mr1414108anh.10.1353805368970; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.233.36 with SMTP id f36mr1414107anh.10.1353805368955; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i27si739700yhe.4.2012.11.24.17.02.48; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D35C208E9 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:02:48 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Request Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:02:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1878774.9jfSAioPBu@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-32-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2248 On Saturday, November 24, 2012 17:13:00 Jonathan Jones wrote: >> For example, Lojban does not have nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc., it has > only gismu, which can act as any of those. For example, {bajra} can be a > noun: {lo bajra} "a runner", or a verb: {mi bajra} "I run", an adjective: > {mi bajra klama} "I running type-of go". The gismu is one kind of brivla. The others are lujvo (compound words, such= as=20 {gimste} "list of gismu") and fu'ivla (borrowed words, such as {arxokuna}= =20 "raccoon"; both the English and the Lojban words are of Algonquian origin).= =20 The brivla covers verbs, adjectives, adverbs, and common nouns. The other open part of speech is the cmevla, which is equivalent to a prope= r=20 noun. For instance {fasygug} "France" (which is also called {frans}). Most= =20 cmevla denote people's names, countries, or other things usually denoted by= =20 proper nouns in other languages. Diseases (when named, not predicated) are= =20 also named with cmevla, e.g. {zuk=E1m} "cold" (from Hindi and Arabic). Other things that don't match up: * Tenses, which are marked with particles such as {pu}, indicate space as w= ell=20 as time. {mo'ini'a xance ko} "move your hand downward" has "hand" as the=20 "verb", with a spatial tense. * Several words for "and" and "or" connect different kinds of phrases. Ther= e is=20 no single way to translate "if". * There is a predicate marker, {cu}. The only natlangs I know of with such = a=20 word are Bislamic languages such as Tok Pisin. * There is no grammatical number. Rather, there is a mass-count distinction= in=20 the article. * There's a part of speech (consisting of several selma'o, each with a sing= le=20 cmavo) called "terminator", which serves to terminate grammatical construct= s.=20 This contributes to the unambiguously parsable grammar. Pierre --=20 li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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