On S= at, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Ian Johnson <= ;blindbravado@g= mail.com> wrote:

Some concepts correspond; others correspond only roughly; others don't = correspond at all. This applies to almost any dissimilar pair of languages.=

In the case of the Lojban-English pairing, I'd say most things = fall into the second category. For example, the notion of a "selbri&qu= ot; isn't that far from the notion of an English "verb", with= the main distinction being that in English words are verbs, while in Lojba= n words (and phrases) act as selbri, in addition to doing other things. The= same applies to sumti/nouns. Similarly, place structure up to 2 places is = essentially how English works. That is, transitive verbs are "two plac= e selbri" and intransitive verbs are "one place selbri". Eng= lish, unlike Lojban, creates most of its more complicated relationships usi= ng prepositions and multiple clauses; the main counterexample I can think o= f is "give", such as "I give the boy the box."

"I to the boy give the box.&quo= t;, "I give the box to the boy.", "To the boy I give the box= .", "The box I give to the boy.".

Most usages of "give" involve "to" to identify the reci= pient if it's not in the usual place, and of course the giver is pretty= much always immediately before, and always at least before, "give'= ;.

For this reason I think the b= est way to learn Lojban as an English speaker (and probably as a speaker of= most languages) is to learn how the pure Lojban terms are similar to and d= ifferent from their approximate English counterparts, and then use those as= you study and discuss the language.

mu'o mi'e la latro'a .i .a'o mi sidju ta'i lo nu cu= sku de'u

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at= 6:33 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
after any of you give Lojban= examples, could you guys translate them into English? I don't know a w= hole lot of Lojban. This really is the right place for me. By the way, abou= t not comparing English with Lojban, how else am I supposed to understand t= he concepts if I don't compare with something?

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