Received: from mail-ia0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:38257) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TWtWC-00055u-LD; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:41:35 -0800 Received: by mail-ia0-f189.google.com with SMTP id h11sf3147759iae.16 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:41:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=W0cB44RGR+yFh/CKxdO+mileWL2o4KQSvwHcAANRAJ8=; b=HihMkaA2DvwKMYuFr2VrD4CvQuErKQ9sO1V61g0bzOz7+Gj6w8grMiO5CVsARWNqr6 6q+AQAQ2aZewEGEpI39JPZ9AHnDiC7vRXbUou8ZdQ4nvOfLJkvOC8aleBjDmQioBH6k6 /7xqQbpwDvT5gt5+ItWxyshpad53jCJ692JFrjaeK/ysIhPbn7F3h4B2MsfSJIIAJDz5 1BykeADdJUSIvDmTx0ECJ5QmV4VxALzOsAVuc+Srer7fgSif9Lv7dGVl21Btdn98VY2d 7yKoMWLt1xbkUHu8L9p4pr6Pnmpl9vtlFLlPMLTk+edEd5vHrKzjNyU9U0+UVx5v8Vf2 VRaQ== Received: by 10.52.66.235 with SMTP id i11mr2559416vdt.7.1352486481220; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:41:21 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.16.79 with SMTP id e15ls4961718vdd.6.gmail; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.205.203 with SMTP id li11mr1051179vec.14.1352486479962; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.205.203 with SMTP id li11mr1051177vec.14.1352486479949; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id es5si6722150vdb.2.2012.11.09.10.41.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.45; Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id p1so3975474vbi.4 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.168.135 with SMTP id zw7mr6009853veb.4.1352486479785; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.59.5.74 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <508D9016.1020409@plasmatix.com> References: <508D9016.1020409@plasmatix.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Should" and "would" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b67849430ed8d04ce144c81 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2852 --047d7b67849430ed8d04ce144c81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I disagree that da'i is not needed below. Without it, the sentence reads "Since I am I chicken, there is no road crossing." --gejyspa (12 days behind in email. I had brought it down to 9, but have been busy at work.) On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM, selpa'i wrote: > Sometimes, the "would" appears together with an if-clause, in which case a > {da'i} isn't always needed: > > mi va'o lo nu [da'i] mi jipci cu na kuckla lo dargu > If I was a chicken, I wouldn't cross the road. > > Here the {da'i} is not strictly needed, because the event tagged by va'o > is not claimed by the speaker. The {da'i} can be used to add emphasis on > the non-factualness of the sentence, however. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --047d7b67849430ed8d04ce144c81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 I disagree that da'i is not needed below. =A0Witho= ut it, the sentence reads "Since I am I chicken, there is no road cros= sing."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa (12 days behind in email. I h= ad brought it down to 9, but have been busy at work.)


On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM, se= lpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
Sometimes, the "would" appears together with an if-clause, i= n which case a {da'i} isn't always needed:

mi va'o lo nu [da'i] mi jipci cu na kuckla lo dargu
If I was a chicken, I wouldn't cross the road.

Here the {da'i} is not strictly needed, because the event tagged by va&= #39;o is not claimed by the speaker. The {da'i} can be used to add emph= asis on the non-factualness of the sentence, however.

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