<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

after any of you give Lojban examples, could you guys translate them into E= nglish?

On this list, we usually do, but if one of us = forgets to, you're more than welcome to ask us to do so.

I don't know a whole lot of Lojban. This rea= lly is the right place for me. By the way, about not comparing English with= Lojban, how else am I supposed to understand the concepts if I don't compa= re with something?

A lot of things in Lojban don't match up to English a= nd vice-versa, which is why it's not a good idea to base your learning of L= ojban by comparing it.

For example, Lojban does not have nouns, verb= s, adjectives, etc., it has only gismu, which can act as any of those. For = example, {bajra} can be a noun: {lo bajra} "a runner", or a verb: {mi bajra= } "I run", an adjective: {mi bajra klama} "I running type-of go".

Because of this, it's much, much better to learn Lojban from scratch, w= ithout bringing the concepts of whatever language(s) you know into the mix,= for the simple reason that those concepts will only hurt your understandin= g in the long run.

If you haven't already I suggest checking out the learning materials fo= r brand-new learners.

The first thing you should read is definitely = "What = is Lojban?", which gives a basic overview of the language.

Next there's "Google Wave lessons", which goes over much more of the language and,= though currently incomplete, is an updating of the official textbook.

Then there's the official textbook, "Lojban for Beginners", whi= ch though slightly outdated covers everything you need to be conversational= ly fluent in Lojban. Just keep in mind that, where LfB and GW disagree, GW = is correct.

Finally, there's the CLL, wh= ich has everything about the language, hence its name, "The Complete Lojban= Language". This one is also a bit outdated, and is being worked on to brin= g it up to date as we speak, so again, where CLL and GW disagree, GW is cor= rect.

There's much, much more, and you can see the full list of learning mate= rials on the Lojban.org website at "Learning".

I can't vo= uch for the suitability of any of these materials for a blind learner- to t= he best of my knowledge, we've never had one. With that in mind, if anythin= g is less than clear to you, feeel free to ask us for clarification, and if= you have any suggestions for how to make Lojban easier for blind people, p= lease let us know. I'm certain I speak for all of us when I say we will be = glad to give you any help you need.

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