Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:44444) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TWtek-00059Y-2c; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:50:23 -0800 Received: by mail-qa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id d18sf585918qae.16 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:50:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uqBSwM9YCv5lBU7WGUJ182y1RnpDSesjhWW3GtWpBA8=; b=qpk7Pd3+6N2RR3Oj40+cNMzU9RfLX9HF2ummtt0L+pL/A9Z8LJRRmHlBbdKtBIyHnJ /+PQQHheMqYoA68+pIWXRqyS0mMJ4Pp19FgSeqKKvhAiNAsHe9skkE3EbE4AEyqYFVIy 2RqfJVCnAzSTpAurtfuQo9U3Tv7pQoAUQG7fwaiupkZvp5xVhHClv4Uv7swN4elCMdAe hrEtjxP130VyK/v2XcyGm+VExPNnw9zm1491Q1Qjfk7kg5omWY7h9UD3WQt1oetcAlXJ 8BDLNZTq1VSQDmmXMubcyVxO5QlJ3IYNsSMBQ0ScbQwd0NZxqHzZZ96ij1Ace/8HpKcf rTig== Received: by 10.50.236.74 with SMTP id us10mr1373354igc.3.1352487009987; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:50:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.12.233 with SMTP id b9ls1878702igc.4.gmail; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.62.69 with SMTP id x5mr7237000ich.24.1352487008535; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.62.69 with SMTP id x5mr7236999ich.24.1352487008521; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com. [209.68.5.9]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id us14si287228igb.3.2012.11.09.10.50.08; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.9; Received: (qmail 77203 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2012 18:50:07 -0000 Received: from 87.160.151.95 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.151.95) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2012 18:50:07 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.151.95 Message-ID: <509D506B.5080404@plasmatix.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:50:19 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Should" and "would" References: <508D9016.1020409@plasmatix.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1051 Am 09.11.2012 19:41, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > I disagree that da'i is not needed below. Without it, the sentence > reads "Since I am I chicken, there is no road crossing." No, it does not (necessarily) mean that. Abstractions are by default not=20 asserted. You can get your meaning explicitly by using da'i nai, but if context is=20 strong enough, you can get away without that. Still, the default is that=20 it is not asserted. mu'o mi'e selpa'i --=20 do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.