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Hm, just realised it has to end in a vowel.  {bau,r,breile}?


On 27 November 2012 17:42, Anton Golov <jesyspa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nothing wrong with fu'ivla.  That'd be something like {bau,r,breil}, righ=
t?
>
>
> On 27 November 2012 16:45, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:14:56 PM UTC+4, Anton Golov wrote:
>>>
>>> braile can't be a gismu for it as it doesn't obey the gismu format
>>> (CCVCV or CVCCV).  What about pecban (or pecbau), a combination of touc=
h
>>> and language?
>>
>>
>> but what's wrong with fu'ivla that is besides easily recognisable?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 November 2012 05:10, Pierre Abbat <ph...@bezitopo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 26, 2012 21:58:55 Annie wrote:
>>>> > How do you pronounce "Ha=FAy"? I'm confused. What are you talking ab=
out
>>>> with
>>>> > the braille stuff?
>>>>
>>>> It's "Ha=FCy", not "Ha=FAy". It's pronounced as three vowels: a as in
>>>> father, u as
>>>> in French su, ee as in see. The two dots on "u" are there because
>>>> otherwise
>>>> "au" would be pronounced as one vowel.
>>>>
>>>> =ABbraile=BB is a Lojban word I made up for "Braille", but I'm not sur=
e of
>>>> the
>>>> place structure.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
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Hm, just realised it has to end in a vowel. =A0{bau,r,breile}?<div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 27 November 2012 17:42,=
 Anton Golov <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jesyspa@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">jesyspa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Nothing wrong with fu&#39;ivla. =A0That&#39;=
d be something like {bau,r,breil}, right?<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=
=3D"h5">
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 27 Novembe=
r 2012 16:45, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.=
name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br><br>On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5=
:14:56 PM UTC+4, Anton Golov wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>

braile can&#39;t be a gismu for it as it doesn&#39;t obey the gismu format =
(CCVCV or CVCCV). =A0What about pecban (or pecbau), a combination of touch =
and language?</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>but what&#39;s wrong wi=
th fu&#39;ivla that is besides easily recognisable?=A0</div>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div>On 27 November 2012 05:10, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>=
ph...@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>On Monday, November 26, 2012=
 21:58:55 Annie wrote:<br>
&gt; How do you pronounce &quot;Ha=FAy&quot;? I&#39;m confused. What are yo=
u talking about with<br>
&gt; the braille stuff?<br>
<br>
</div>It&#39;s &quot;Ha=FCy&quot;, not &quot;Ha=FAy&quot;. It&#39;s pronoun=
ced as three vowels: a as in father, u as<br>
in French su, ee as in see. The two dots on &quot;u&quot; are there because=
 otherwise<br>
&quot;au&quot; would be pronounced as one vowel.<br>
<br>
=ABbraile=BB is a Lojban word I made up for &quot;Braille&quot;, but I&#39;=
m not sure of the<br>
place structure.<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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