Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:47545) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TdOXo-00005L-4l; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:02:05 -0800 Received: by mail-qa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id d18sf3719397qae.16 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:01:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hDB+Mo772MBjNWIcQU4cb1+2wEi51BtQT5Yono/PRz8=; b=rt8mDq2hdbak4KNlOLkrfPgDC6HXl1wg96DBp/6R/DTJAyOMUGYNRpm07vDEo06Av6 Km5k6qJaO1xIBNAM4iFcgZGVXv7OIh1wSDt1mh52xp79V9dKHaXbdvdvoqvDg49H856d 7z1cbWN5S+d0Q3sznRDeR7oIuRNyEaSitQ8dJSmgFbvasHX882BE+ghUSQMhoPYZXM5Y 7D8G36VGyUReG7+k0GdZ8gKJ+C+rStFpLvlmgtu/+ux9PjW+lHvcn5P32oiv3198j+dD anfdwqbsRyVsnqKjsc2wxa9exGMb4qD0oa5ABtzW1zcwxcjgyX/jxvB6SIYDdClH1N+m JU/w== Received: by 10.49.24.14 with SMTP id q14mr3330931qef.17.1354035713402; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:01:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.18.230 with SMTP id z6ls2462398qed.6.gmail; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:01:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.24.13 with SMTP id q13mr3370913qef.33.1354035712867; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by n5g2000vbk.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:01:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:01:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1376458.ShreGqI8Iq@caracal> <2C9188D0-A03F-4717-898E-58D986BCCA32@asb.gaggle.net> <2046694.Jy3urARx3F@caracal> <89693c69-382d-4dc3-91ce-52cc179914a4@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/537.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/22.0.1229.79 Safari/537.4,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo braile From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3329 There are different kinds of fu'ivla. {banrbreile} or {cidjrkari} are stage-3 fu'ivla. {braile} is a stage-4 fu'ivla. {bau,r,breile} is also a correct stage-4 fu'ivla (according to vlatai), but it looks like a failed attempt to a stage-3 fu'ivla. In case you're interested, "stage-1 fu'ivla" are la'o-quoted foreign words ({la'o ly. spaghetti ly.}) and "stage-2 fu'ivla" are foreign words lojbanized as cmevla ({la .spagetis.}). It is imprtant to note that all stage-3 fu'ivla inherit place structure from their source gismu. mu'o mi'e ianek On 27 Lis, 17:44, Anton Golov wrote: > Hm, just realised it has to end in a vowel. =A0{bau,r,breile}? > > On 27 November 2012 17:42, Anton Golov wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nothing wrong with fu'ivla. =A0That'd be something like {bau,r,breil}, = right? > > > On 27 November 2012 16:45, la gleki wrote: > > >> On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:14:56 PM UTC+4, Anton Golov wrote: > > >>> braile can't be a gismu for it as it doesn't obey the gismu format > >>> (CCVCV or CVCCV). =A0What about pecban (or pecbau), a combination of = touch > >>> and language? > > >> but what's wrong with fu'ivla that is besides easily recognisable? > > >>> On 27 November 2012 05:10, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > >>>> On Monday, November 26, 2012 21:58:55 Annie wrote: > >>>> > How do you pronounce "Ha=FAy"? I'm confused. What are you talking = about > >>>> with > >>>> > the braille stuff? > > >>>> It's "Ha=FCy", not "Ha=FAy". It's pronounced as three vowels: a as i= n > >>>> father, u as > >>>> in French su, ee as in see. The two dots on "u" are there because > >>>> otherwise > >>>> "au" would be pronounced as one vowel. > > >>>> =ABbraile=BB is a Lojban word I made up for "Braille", but I'm not s= ure of > >>>> the > >>>> place structure. > > >>>> Pierre > >>>> -- > >>>> Don't buy a French car in Holland. 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