Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:42736) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TgIA5-0003TL-Sj; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:49:39 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id xn12sf3935538obc.16 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:49:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ptZ8Mt7sDX6q2yoAVFpUhDd+saZ4EPWTVnedUnd4gK4=; b=kijkPw+T6NDzT0M4zPoYyN3PMRUpARErdNgtEZvTMsgZfPnWphbNT4vZQEFxusDbYH upvDB+q5XvY00833dYSiya2FxsFErq4qlFFdJjQbLJmTRAtEBIxhj73K9LkiJSTkxMwq xWND6Gfi3O1fxxt1Eh+l3i9XqsKHkkL70jUe6b9yIy6A4qKUN1kE3cZvEVv5dOPeDYLx HuiSLCCFpD4+87AfupxKUNsgBKCq3k/pGMq7N4E91O+eWE8IjgPPqpmVNodvDawueZ54 eTykgVYeCXDEfERhGCyM7g2Yekv91CmybijTlKO7MSTy0pq2mH7kP93EOldK8EBcT1Hh J1CA== Received: by 10.50.37.232 with SMTP id b8mr960751igk.4.1354726163265; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:49:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.170.97 with SMTP id al1ls3789421igc.28.canary; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.165.132 with SMTP id k4mr13228247icy.18.1354726161931; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.165.132 with SMTP id k4mr13228245icy.18.1354726161912; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ul6si1411085igb.2.2012.12.05.08.49.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.170; Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id wp18so4783144obc.15 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:49:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.8.68 with SMTP id p4mr14345063oea.7.1354726161723; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:49:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <33272af0-7522-44d7-a040-e451bf851595@googlegroups.com> <3c1628ec-40a0-41fd-90a9-65e110d9ab0a@googlegroups.com> <96205a36-c08f-4ebe-877e-112c22a5aefc@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why no "about" brivla? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c6eaa3300704d01dc3ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4659 --e89a8ff1c6eaa3300704d01dc3ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM, tijlan wrote: > On 4 December 2012 22:45, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, tijlan wrote: > >> Still, "x1 is dedicated to x2" is a kind of relation, just as "x1 > >> plans x2 for process x3" (platu) is. > > > > > > Yes, but neither of those are srana. > > If "x1 is dedicated to x2" wasn't a subset of {srana}, of "x1 is > related to x2", then it couldn't be covered by {pe} either -- we > couldn't say {lo cukta pe lo nixli} to imply that the book is > dedicated to the girl. 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On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM, tijlan <jboti= jlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4 December 2012 22:45, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Still, "x1 is dedicated to x2" i= s a kind of relation, just as "x1
>> plans x2 for process x3" (platu) is.
>
>
> Yes, but neither of those are srana.

If "x1 is dedicated to x2" wasn't a subset of {srana}, = of "x1 is
related to x2", then it couldn't be covered by {pe} either -- we couldn't say {lo cukta pe lo nixli} to imply that the book is
dedicated to the girl. Do we actually have such a restriction?

My opinion is yes, but I won't go so far as to say my opin= ion is the official one without agreement from a majority of jbocertu.
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mu'o

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