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[94.234.170.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pg5sm927234lab.6.2012.12.05.08.53.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:53:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why no "about" brivla? References: <33272af0-7522-44d7-a040-e451bf851595@googlegroups.com> <3c1628ec-40a0-41fd-90a9-65e110d9ab0a@googlegroups.com> <96205a36-c08f-4ebe-877e-112c22a5aefc@googlegroups.com> From: Sebastian X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6C23764B-2630-4F2C-9C24-7870AA547A44@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:53:41 +0100 To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1829 Could you say that {srana} is a gismu-equivalent of {pe}? But perhaps with = a bit more asymmetrric relation between x1 and x2, as the note for {srana} = suggest? In either case I think it's not wrong to say that dedication is a form of "= associated with". Still {srana} and {pe} is definitely vaguer than "dedicat= ion", so maybe a lujvo would be more approriate? mu'omi'e jongausib Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone 5 dec 2012 kl. 17:44 skrev tijlan : > On 4 December 2012 22:45, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, tijlan wrote: >>> Still, "x1 is dedicated to x2" is a kind of relation, just as "x1 >>> plans x2 for process x3" (platu) is. >>=20 >>=20 >> Yes, but neither of those are srana. >=20 > If "x1 is dedicated to x2" wasn't a subset of {srana}, of "x1 is > related to x2", then it couldn't be covered by {pe} either -- we > couldn't say {lo cukta pe lo nixli} to imply that the book is > dedicated to the girl. Do we actually have such a restriction? >=20 >=20 > mu'o >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.