Received: from mail-vc0-f188.google.com ([209.85.220.188]:43016) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TgIXD-0003bP-4F; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:13:35 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f188.google.com with SMTP id p1sf3082010vcq.5 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:13:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ieFfJafShZAIw3ij6OfO1DMiqZkI76jcbZh0FEgfMOs=; b=Ntxq3L2phGJ14JDnQ1JM96gLiQet4KSrcYzcU/t9CLaCk3U8jt9hkdlHepGM5yu+0w F/00sCMI2OAnqeWfxlc0T091HfMvAe9JmuCQ50oLOC0xnYZXbRZIE5rqpP1kkfg0/ece vTpO74YreZxi2V8Qbtwd/lHDEAT7cS11DtJ0QREyQQ1BmzPMWgAptXomvXJ4EHNjvgSp ZlajWuHzencaDT3vmEAhSUB8Fb7sxVk6L5xln+fPPHfB2CrT507pRZWV7d8PawLJobBU x2Ha/rov1JSUouqyD/ViKfioPHKsD4HR9wi+ebgR7hrmQMaebdVnyjI1rHMFq0JkkP0c MwUw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ieFfJafShZAIw3ij6OfO1DMiqZkI76jcbZh0FEgfMOs=; b=BdyKyUj5Fzz2R8nuKMogxHi6zatiiAC0oOL0F+3EeK/QptcOnizYXpbdyA3MFSQf/d 4O+7eFzozXoEnCkBipnmf5ACLeJOVfcRDXLhEYxxU/ZkJ7W0T4Y6PoF16XY9jERVOjSU 2etJeLjp1M7fjf5gGbvenrq+sebyY0vfQjTBrxU7toik1UrqQDhRu8y6K6DMJsbiJfC5 6i2iJYk9xVv9tGfhtpiK4SI3bBtnaKy2PXu484Lrf5hXiq4mZek0eo1y2lSptrWwxLaA 7ROSYojwZZbQSBk8crsBuktJA4ykedbzyETh3Px6BTocya3Zxqeky0TzRFF+XL/btbLQ r1lg== Received: by 10.50.5.174 with SMTP id t14mr961099igt.11.1354727596416; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:13:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.158.131 with SMTP id wu3ls1824673igb.18.gmail; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.237.73 with SMTP id va9mr2236906igc.4.1354727595254; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.237.73 with SMTP id va9mr2236905igc.4.1354727595207; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com (mail-oa0-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7si1416521igl.0.2012.12.05.09.13.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.46; Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id h16so6341454oag.5 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:13:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.172.229 with SMTP id bf5mr14329960oec.81.1354727594914; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:13:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:13:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <33272af0-7522-44d7-a040-e451bf851595@googlegroups.com> <3c1628ec-40a0-41fd-90a9-65e110d9ab0a@googlegroups.com> <96205a36-c08f-4ebe-877e-112c22a5aefc@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:13:14 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why no "about" brivla? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee86c0ff48a04d01e19d8 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4782 --bcaec54ee86c0ff48a04d01e19d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry, forgot this was Beginner's for a second there. Translations: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Here's a hypothetical example of why I don't agree that srana "x1 is > pertinent/relevant to x2" could be used to mean "dedicated to": > > Let us say that I wrote a book, and upon its being published, I gave it > the dedication "To my wife, for putting up with me as I wrote this". Then > is would be true that {lo mi cukta cu ckini lo mi speni lodu'u ca nu mi ciska ku sy. se fanza mi}. "My book is related to my wife by the relation, when I was writing, she was annoyed by me." > However, other than the dedication, my wife has nothing to do with the > book- the story contained within has absolutely nothing to do with my wife > in any way, except in that she may find it enjoyable to read, which has > nothing to do with the decision to dedicate it to her, and so {lo mi cukta cu na srana lo mi speni}, "My book is not pertinent to my wife." > it's in no way pertinent to/relevant to/concerning/about my wife. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a hypothetical example of why I d= on't agree that srana "x1 is pertinent/relevant to x2" could = be used to mean "dedicated to":

Let us say that I wrote a book, and upon its being published, I gave it= the dedication "To my wife, for putting up with me as I wrote this&qu= ot;. Then is would be true that=A0
{lo mi cukta cu ckini lo mi speni lodu'u ca nu mi ciska ku sy. se fanza= mi}.

"My book is related to my wife by the relat= ion, when I was writing, she was annoyed by me."
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However, other than the dedication, my wife has nothing to do with the boo= k- the story contained within has absolutely nothing to do with my wife in = any way, except in that she may find it enjoyable to read, which has nothin= g to do with the decision to dedicate it to her, and so=A0
{lo mi cukta cu na srana lo mi speni},

"My book is not pertinent to my wife."
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it's in no way pertinent to/relevant to= /concerning/about my wife.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be= denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, = I am your father. :D )




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mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l= uk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. = :D )

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