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[209.68.5.17]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id hw1si367623igc.3.2012.12.05.09.38.40; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:38:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.17 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.17; Received: (qmail 75667 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2012 17:38:39 -0000 Received: from 93.220.68.105 (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (93.220.68.105) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2012 17:38:39 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 93.220.68.105 Message-ID: <50BF869F.6070208@plasmatix.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:38:39 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why no "about" brivla? References: <33272af0-7522-44d7-a040-e451bf851595@googlegroups.com> <3c1628ec-40a0-41fd-90a9-65e110d9ab0a@googlegroups.com> <96205a36-c08f-4ebe-877e-112c22a5aefc@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.17 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2365 la Jonathan Jones cu cusku di'e > Here's a hypothetical example of why I don't agree that srana "x1 is > pertinent/relevant to x2" could be used to mean "dedicated to": > > Let us say that I wrote a book, and upon its being published, I gave it > the dedication "To my wife, for putting up with me as I wrote this". > Then is would be true that {lo mi cukta cu ckini lo mi speni lodu'u ca > nu mi ciska ku sy. se fanza mi}. (You forgot a "lo" before after "ca".) > However, other than the dedication, my > wife has nothing to do with the book- the story contained within has > absolutely nothing to do with my wife in any way, except in that she may > find it enjoyable to read, which has nothing to do with the decision to > dedicate it to her, and so {lo mi cukta cu na srana lo mi speni}, it's > in no way pertinent to/relevant to/concerning/about my wife. Here is a non-hypothetical example from my own experience: Whenever I=20 create something, for example when I compose a piece or when I write a=20 book or any such thing, I always dedicate it to someone (and it's always=20 a different person each time). If someone was familiar with my musical=20 pieces and wanted to refer to one of them, I would consider it entirely=20 correct to use srana/pe thus: mi nelci lo do zgike se finti .i pu zi tinju'i lo do se finti pe la'o=20 me. Han Ga Eun .me Or: mi pu zi tinju'i lo srana be la'o me. Han Ga Eun .me "I like your compositions. I just listened to your Han Ga Eun piece." That's the easiest way to distinguish them, especially since I don't=20 give my pieces names. pe/ne/srana are by nature vague and rely on=20 context. And I think that's a good thing. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo je nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo da'i pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.